[Politics] Brexit

[A1X]

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[highflyer]

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Yeah, I nicked it!
Bloody good gag though and worth sharing I thought.

 

[neilbard]

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Boris come on the Tories really don't need to be digging anymore holes for themselves. #JCB

 

[CHAPPERS]

It's frankly ridiculous that people on here still think there's a level playing field and that the EU will simply crumble if No Deal hits.

 

[Gwylan]

Mid 30s can be enough to win a majority. Its happens a few times recently.

No government has won a majority in my lifetime with under 40% of the vote. The only times where a government has, in 1974 (twice) and 2010, it was a government without a majority and, of course, in 2010, the combined votes of the Tories and Liberals were well above 40%.

But even if they had, the main point is that governments can be changed relatively quickly, referenda don't come along every five years. I'd be concerned about any major change taking place with just 30% of the electorate behind it

 

[Gwylan]

No government apart from Cameron's in 2015 with 36.9%, Blair's is 2005 with 35.2%...

But then you did also pick the 30% remain figure out if your arse.

Yes, you're right about the election result, mea culpa. I did look up 2015 but completely forgot that wasn't a coalition

But I didn't pluck the 30% figure out of nowhere, as I explained earlier. It's not what would happen, it's an example of the sort of problem that could happen

 

[portslade seagull]

You did pluck it from nowhere as an example of want could happen!
How about this: we have a referendum and 75% vote remain. What then? This is another example of what could happen.

75% now your dreaming. A small minority of leavers I know would still vote remain the rest are totally fed up with the whole thing and the reluctance for people to accept a vote and if another referendum was called would either not vote or vote leave

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You did pluck it from nowhere as an example of want could happen!
How about this: we have a referendum and 75% vote remain. What then? This is another example of what could happen.

Or a referendum where 52% voted to leave - that could happen. Ohhh .....

 

[Westdene Seagull]

What leave? This is the issue. The leave vote is actually a fractured mess of different versions of leave.

The fact you can't understand :

a. The difference between a GE and a binary referendum
b. That the more options you have a on a voting paper splinters the percentages

Kind of indicates you're going for the Village Idiot 2019 crown to add to your 2018 one.

 

[ManOfSussex]

By far the most powerful lobby in the EU is German industry.

Nobody is going to want a FTA between the UK and the EU more than German industry.

 

[A1X]

By far the most powerful lobby in the EU is German industry.

Nobody is going to want a FTA between the UK and the EU more than German industry.

Are we still doing this? Seriously?

If they're so desperate for a deal why have they done absolutely nothing up to this point? Why aren't they in Brussels and Berlin begging for a deal the UK Parliament will accept?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

It's frankly ridiculous that people on here still think there's a level playing field and that the EU will simply crumble if No Deal hits.

Quite.

I've reached the point now where I'm absolutely done with pretending that Leave supporters are not thick as ****, so as not to offend or patronise.

A significant proportion remind us day, after day, that they really are utter morons without the most basic grasp of the issues at hand.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Are we still doing this? Seriously?

If they're so desperate for a deal why have they done absolutely nothing up to this point? Why aren't they in Brussels and Berlin begging for a deal the UK Parliament will accept?

I thought the same. Even the really extreme, arrogant Brexiteer types such as Owen Paterson, who were coming out with the 'German car manufacturers/they need us more than we need them' mantra, have long since moved on and adopted the new unicorn of 'managed no deal'.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Liam Fox: We can't have any of our own trade deals if we are in a customs union.
People: Have you made any trade deals for after Brexit?
Liam Fox: No.
People: You must have some preliminary trade deals ready in waiting?
Liam Fox: No.
People: Has anyone confirmed they would replicate the EU trade deals for the UK?
Liam Fox: No.
People: Have you got anything at all lined up post Brexit whatever that may be?
Liam Fox: No.

That's reassuring then.

Also in the news, Boris Johnson, with no sense of irony whatsoever, claims there is an 'elite conspiracy' over Brexit.

 

[dingodan]

Are we still doing this? Seriously?

If they're so desperate for a deal why have they done absolutely nothing up to this point? Why aren't they in Brussels and Berlin begging for a deal the UK Parliament will accept?

"You have to be clear about what it's all about: Great Britain is the fifth largest export market in Germany. More than 750,000 jobs in Germany depend on exports to the UK." - DIHK (German Chamber of Commerce and Industry) President Eric Schweitzer.

Yesterday: Chaotic Brexit would shake German business, industry group warns
https://www.ft.com/content/9d33140e-1a3a-11e9-b93e-f4351a53f1c3

December: Germany's BREXIT PANIC: Trade unions WARN of drastic consequences of ‘CHAOTIC’ no deal
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...rman-industry-manufacturing-trade-theresa-may

Yesterday: German industry 'looking into the abyss' as Brexit fears mount
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/01/17/german-industry-looking-abyss-brexit-fears-mount/

Two days ago: German business warns of Brexit 'chaos'
https://www.thelocal.de/20190116/german-business-warns-of-brexit-chaos

October: German Industry Warns of ‘Massive Crisis’ From No-Deal Brexit
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...y-warns-of-massive-crisis-from-no-deal-brexit

They are arguing, quite forcefully, and sensibly, for a deal.

For exactly the same reasons, in the event of No Deal they will argue even harder for an FTA and other voluntary arrangements on trade, and as quickly as possible.

& They will be right to.

 

[Baldseagull]

Perhaps, but I think, in a No Deal situation, i.e. without an agreed withdrawl period, we would go to zero tariffs pretty quickly. There is nothing stopping us doing that, and every reason to do it.

Boris didn't say No Deal won't happen, which is what was implied in the post I replied to. He said that the imposition of tariffs between the EU and the UK is not going to happen, and there are good reasons to think that is true.

Of course, while No Deal still seems preventable to some people the EU aren't going to invite it by acknowledging this. If they did it would make No Deal seem less problematic, and, along with many in Parliament, they want No Deal to seem as problematic as possible. They want as much pressure as possible to stop it. Not merely because of the challenges it involves, but also because in the absence of a possible No Deal, Brexit looks (to them) much less likely (since a deal would be required for Brexit to happen, and any deal requires the approval of parties who don't want Brexit to happen).

Your problem here is you are putting a lot of faith in the words the most untrustworthy MP currently sitting, and that is with some fierce competition.

 

[Baldseagull]

Well this is a first, Boris keeping a promise.

He did say he was going to lie in front of a bulldozer after all...

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Very good.

 

[Baldseagull]

The fact you can't understand :

a. The difference between a GE and a binary referendum
b. That the more options you have a on a voting paper splinters the percentages

Kind of indicates you're going for the Village Idiot 2019 crown to add to your 2018 one.

There must be some version of leave that you would find less desirable than remaining though.

 

[Bold Seagull]

"You have to be clear about what it's all about: Great Britain is the fifth largest export market in Germany. More than 750,000 jobs in Germany depend on exports to the UK." - DIHK (German Chamber of Commerce and Industry) President Eric Schweitzer.

Yesterday: Chaotic Brexit would shake German business, industry group warns
https://www.ft.com/content/9d33140e-1a3a-11e9-b93e-f4351a53f1c3

December: Germany's BREXIT PANIC: Trade unions WARN of drastic consequences of ‘CHAOTIC’ no deal
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...rman-industry-manufacturing-trade-theresa-may

Yesterday: German industry 'looking into the abyss' as Brexit fears mount
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/01/17/german-industry-looking-abyss-brexit-fears-mount/

Two days ago: German business warns of Brexit 'chaos'
https://www.thelocal.de/20190116/german-business-warns-of-brexit-chaos

October: German Industry Warns of ‘Massive Crisis’ From No-Deal Brexit
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...y-warns-of-massive-crisis-from-no-deal-brexit

They are arguing, quite forcefully, and sensibly, for a deal.

For exactly the same reasons, in the event of No Deal they will argue even harder for an FTA and other voluntary arrangements on trade, and as quickly as possible.

& They will be right to.

Did you have to have a think before posting a Daily Express link? I imagine it's a bit like a court case where you have your expert witnesses, an architect, structural engineer, and then the expert witness for the claimant against shoddy building works is Nick Knowles from DIY SOS.

 

[Baldseagull]

"You have to be clear about what it's all about: Great Britain is the fifth largest export market in Germany. More than 750,000 jobs in Germany depend on exports to the UK." - DIHK (German Chamber of Commerce and Industry) President Eric Schweitzer.

Yesterday: Chaotic Brexit would shake German business, industry group warns
https://www.ft.com/content/9d33140e-1a3a-11e9-b93e-f4351a53f1c3

December: Germany's BREXIT PANIC: Trade unions WARN of drastic consequences of ‘CHAOTIC’ no deal
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...rman-industry-manufacturing-trade-theresa-may

Yesterday: German industry 'looking into the abyss' as Brexit fears mount
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/01/17/german-industry-looking-abyss-brexit-fears-mount/

Two days ago: German business warns of Brexit 'chaos'
https://www.thelocal.de/20190116/german-business-warns-of-brexit-chaos

October: German Industry Warns of ‘Massive Crisis’ From No-Deal Brexit
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...y-warns-of-massive-crisis-from-no-deal-brexit

They are arguing, quite forcefully, and sensibly, for a deal.

For exactly the same reasons, in the event of No Deal they will argue even harder for an FTA and other voluntary arrangements on trade, and as quickly as possible.

& They will be right to.

There is one, but the EU can't make us sign it. The best that the EU can do with what is on the table, is say the UK can leave the backstop arrangement unilaterally, but if it did so, everything would revert to WTO arrangements, which is in fact, what the situation is.