[Politics] Brexit

[Westdene Seagull]

It stands to reason that the unelected Queen and unelected Royal Family would have more influence on UK law, as after whatever law making is currently done in Brussels is brought back to UK, they would have sway over them through their private letters and words in politicians ears. See Prince Charles's letters for evidence.

I'm guessing your post is serious as there are no smilies. You remainers constantly say only a small percentage of our laws are from the EU - last figure I saw was 12% ( not that I believe it ). So that makes 88% left that are entirely down to our parliament. Are you seriously suggesting that Queenie whispers in ears to influence this 88% ? I've heard it all now - a remain conspiracy theory !!! Desperate, utterly desperate.

 

[cunning fergus]

https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/eu-rules
I agree with much of the post but contest this point.......as a commercial driver i have to abide by EU rules as well as UK rules..

Edit: i can be fined if breaking EU rules....legislation/laws

Noted, my own particular point is that worker protection laws existed in the UK before the EU, and in many examples the provision in the UK is more generous from the EU.

Even more importantly this progress was won in the UK by past generations of British workers in this country; handing the laurel leaves of their victories of rights and social justice to a cabal on unelected capitalists who have overseen the devastation of a number of countries economies and the resultant devastation of workers rights is down right lie and insult.

Unfortunately there are too many people who don't understand this country's political history otherwise they would not believe what politicians tell them.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Can we just for once in our life's stick one on the establishment and vote Leave.

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

Interestingly, Pastafarian makes an interesting point, he just presumes that after a Brexit vote everything will remain the same. The pound will stay strong against the Euro. People will happily still spend freely on their expensive holidays to foreign climes. But, wait, isn't even the Quitter camp admitting now that by Quitting the EU there will be a shock to the economy. That 12 million going to France becomes less. Why risk becoming one of those people? Why vote to make yourself poorer?

well,it dépends on how selfish you are

if your a single fella with just your knob to feed and in work,then you probably don't want to rock the boat too much,I'm alright Jack

if you have kids,that at sometime will have to buy property and find work,then maybe a vote for the good of the country and not your own personal welfare might be the order of the day

 

[daveybgtt]

I'm alright Jack

if you have kids,that at sometime will have to buy property and find work,t

Can't decide between these two to be honest...........

Can't think of many people I've spoken to that wish to remain, who knows!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I'm confused? Isn't Turkey dangerous and full of criminals who dream of coming here? And isn't Greece full of those nasty migrants that you Quitters are so quick to vilify? I am sure people would prefer to go to France and Spain, except they wouldn't be able to afford it as the pound had plummeted against the Euro and those that would still be able to afford to go would be stuck in the non-EU passport que.

You talk about a weaker pound after Brexit as though it were a fact. This is not how currency markets work. Traders are trading relative value so you also have to consider the Euro side of the trade. If the UK leaves then this will have a negative effect on the EU, particularly if they carry out their threats to erect trade barriers (or slow down trade deal negotiations which amounts to the same thing) as they are at least reliant on trade links with us as vice versa. There are structural weaknesses in the Euro area where there is currently no provision for fiscal transfer to the weaker regions (as does exist in the dollar,sterling and all other zones) thus ensuring perpetual recession in Southern Europe and this already makes the Euro vulnerable. At times of Euro sell off the pound has been a safe haven position for the markets and there is no reason to think this would change Its a view, take your pick but cannot be presented as a fact either way. The point I am making is that there are uncertainties whether we Remain or Leave and you cannot know as fact what will happen either way. A case as strong as yours for sterling weakness can be made for sterling strength. The problem with both official campaigns is that they make assertions of facts that are not actually facts and their supporters (of whichever side) gleefully add them to their arguments to re-inforce their pre-existing view. It is the worst campaign of lies and misinformation (on both sides) I have ever seen. I would suggest that you try to screen out the official campaigns and make up your own mind using none of their 'facts'/assertions.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I'm reading articles that if we vote to Leave, Pro EU MPs could block it.
What a disgrace if this where to happen, it proves that democracy is dead.

 

[Bladders]

I'm reading articles that if we vote to Leave, Pro EU MPs could block it.
What a disgrace if this where to happen, it proves that democracy is dead.

They're not going to give up their gravy train pension without a fight it seems.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What happens if you get a job on the EU for more than 90 days? Does it not put a restriction (or increase the paperwork) on where we can work?

More importantly, as Albion fans, how would it affect our EU players, or any that we might be looking to sign?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

They're not going to give up their gravy train pension without a fight it seems.

they are talking about voting to stay within the single market on the basis that the referendum is not asking about this issue specifically. They are taking a very literal view that enables them to get their way regardless of the vote. Technically they would be justified but it is a moral grey area that may undermine their legitimacy. If they wish to take that risk then they may get a backlash. Risky times for democracy.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

but if we leave we can sign up Argentinians and Brazilians!!

More importantly, as Albion fans, how would it affect our EU players, or any that we might be looking to sign?

 

[Worried Man Blues]

The French won't have Hawkeye, typical, I'm out.

 

[Albumen]

And one so trite that it amounts to the same substance as your monicka, Washy and a bit like jizz. No substance except for energetic tail wagging.

You are.

 

[The Birdman]

Why risk the fragile recovery I don't like everything the EU does but I would rather try and change it by being inside than have no say on the outside. I think the freedom of movement will start to change even the Germans are getting concerned.
Please vote either way don't waste it my ancestors fought for the right of all men getting the vote followed by the brave women.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

but if we leave we can sign up Argentinians and Brazilians!!

We can anyway, once they get Spanish, Portugese, or Italian passports. Spain, especially, has a reciprocal agreement with the South American countries.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Why risk the fragile recovery I don't like everything the EU does but I would rather try and change it by being inside than have no say on the outside. I think the freedom of movement will start to change even the Germans are getting concerned.
Please vote either way don't waste it my ancestors fought for the right of all men getting the vote followed by the brave women.

The EU will never reform on Free Movement. That is at the heart of the EU.

 

[nicko31]

You really do talk a load of twaddle!

Who said we would have to bail out other countries in the Euro especially as we are not part of the Euro you make it up as you go along! We are already free to trade with the rest of the world or weren't you aware of that. Being in the EU doesn't prevent us from trading with who we want to as we sell more to the rest of the world than to the EU! Over the last 10 years goods we export have risen from £123bn to £134bn to EU but the big growth area has been selling services over the same time frame these have risen from £55bn to £88bn. If we did leave without us being there at the table for further liberalisation, and with new barriers erected then our strongly growing services to Europe would take a massive hit. Also if we did leave we still need to comply with standards set by the EU so where would the saving be there? Professor Patrick Minford of economists for Brexit also suggests no trade deals and the removal of all barriers unilaterally - however what fails to get mentioned is that this he has himself said doing this would more than likely mean the elimination of manufacturing industry in the UK! Clearly not a very sensible idea at all! We are already free to make our own laws only 10% of Acts before parliament relate to specific EU requirements rising to 14% where they are influenced by the EU hardly under the heel of Brussels. As I see it the brexiteers like yourself are at best deluded and at worst barefaced liars who I wouldn't trust anything they said.

Spot on, nothing more to add

 

[Jim in the West]

I'm reading articles that if we vote to Leave, Pro EU MPs could block it.
What a disgrace if this where to happen, it proves that democracy is dead.

It's pretty obvious though - over 400 remainers in the House of Commons. The only surprise is that this has only just made the mainstream media. Cameron may go, but the Brexit camp will definitely NOT have a majority at Westminster. However, the good news for the Vote Leavers is that our future will be decided by our elected representatives, which is just what they want, I think...?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

As a lifelong socialist I think in this instance Corbyn is lying, the signatories maybe lying but it's possible like many people on this thread they know nothing about this country's social history.

Frankly we have neither our Govt or the EU to thank for workers rights, they have been won at cost by the past generations of workers in spite of Govts not because of them.

Workers first won a right to guaranteed paid holidays through the 1871 Bank Holidays Act.

Workers fought for a Holiday with Pay Act in 1938.

Workers had paid holidays before the EU’s Working Time Directive and the UK's minimum position is still more generous than the EU's

The 1970 Equal Pay Act was passed before we joined the EU, and well before the EU’s Employment Equality Directive of 2000.

The EU has done nothing to stop governments, Tory and most shamefully Labour, from imposing anti-trade union laws, which were all legal under EU law. Lest we forget the removal of clause IV.

Employment rights in EU directives do nothing to protect the rights to strike. The EU neither promotes nor protects collective bargaining. There is absolutely nothing in EU law that gives trade unions any more protection than national laws.

EU directives do not protect any of the rights workers have won.

If we left tomorrow, the laws would still stand. They did not come from the EU; they do not depend on our being in the EU.

Far from protecting workers’ rights, the EU has demanded the destruction of trade union rights as a condition of its bailouts in Greece, Ireland and Portugal in addition to forced privatisation of state assets without consent by the people.

Frankly EU Treaties do not give a f*ck about workers’ rights it's about employers’ rights.......no more no less Tory boy.

If you say so, delusional child. Meanwhile, rant away and you may yet see glory on 23 June with the coming to power of Gove, Johnson and Duncan Smith, heroes of workers all.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

No agreed, we are not prevented from trading with the rest of the world. What we CAN'T do is strike a better deal with any country the EU already has an agreement with. So even if we wanted to create a better deal with say Brazil, we couldn't because the EU deal prevents us from doing so.

Well being in the union as sure as heck hasn't stopped Germany in its tracks. There's a tendency to blame Brussels for our relative failure to trade profitably with the world. The truth is often more painful, and closer to home.