[Politics] Brexit

[Two Professors]

This is important. The influx is temporary as we are doing well at the moment. It's going to start flowing the other way at some point and then people will miss the days when Britain was a place people wanted to come to. This is a major concern as by then if we have voted out we won't be able to go freely to other European countries that are doing well to work.

What utter rubbish.My wife's cousin worked his way across Europe and Med countries,ending up working on a kibbutz in Israel in 1969,long before the EU.Officer Dribble is a good avatar for you!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

The polls mean nothing.

Look to the exchanges which I'm surprised have shortened slightly since yesterday.

Personally, I don't take much notice of the polls. They were way out in the election, I harbored suspicions as I felt from the people I spoke to at the time, that the Conservatives would do a lot better than predicted.

I still feel fear and caution will triumph in the EU vote, but it's nice to hear the remain voices getting ever shriller and reaching a more desperate pitch as they squirm at the thought of Britain's independence.

Sent from the boot of Lingard

 

[Jim in the West]

Personally, I don't take much notice of the polls. They were way out in the election, I harbored suspicions as I felt from the people I spoke to at the time, that the Conservatives would do a lot better than predicted.

I still feel fear and caution will triumph in the EU vote, but it's nice to hear the remain voices getting ever shriller and reaching a more desperate pitch as they squirm at the thought of Britain's independence.

Sent from the boot of Lingard

Thank God those voices ARE getting shriller and more desperate. I think until recently the Remain campaign has been a little complacent - relying too much on the overwhelming number of forecasters predicting economic gloom if we leave. I still think the economic argument will win out, but I'm thankful that the recent polls seem to have shaken the Remain camp out of its slumber. And, at last, people - especially those under 35 - have cottoned on to the importance of registering to vote. Over 150k under-35s registered yesterday. Probably more today. Fingers crossed!

 

[Jim in the West]

similar to the scenario that vote to exit leads to a renegotiation and another referendum imo.

both scenarios lead us to an interesting situation, we've voted to leave but that doesn't happen immediately so there is scope for a substantial change of relationship with EU. there are others across europe that may welcome the opportunity to formally set in place a two tier EU, a core furthering integration with others remaining as is, or even rolling back to pre-Lisbon (all the way back to Maastricht?) stauts. vote to remain is to bolster the EU project and to be tied to whatever the whims the EU leaders decide for the next generation. vote leave opens options, remain closes them.

You could well be right. All the more pity that we haven't got a third option to vote for. We could well end up with a second EU Referendum (especially if Scotland votes to leave the UK). Also, Gove said recently that he thought we'd still be a member of the EU in 2020 - ie, when the next general election takes place. Which means the 2020 General Election could also end up focussing almost exclusively on the EU. What fun this promises to be!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I know El Pres has a tendency to post weird stuff but that is just shit. As we don't currently have a points system for EU migrants how does anyone know who would or wouldn't get enough points. Maybe being a footballer would gain you a decent number of points ? We seem to have African, American and Australian footballers in our leagues all of whom would have to have gone through a points based system.

We don't have a points system for EU migrants/footballers because there is free movement. If we left then there would almost certainly be a similar system that currently applies to players from outside the EU, ie. a certain number of international caps etc (I don't claim to know the exact criteria).

El Presidente has kindly provided the criteria for me. Westdene Seagull, this is his job, so hardly weird stuff.

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[looney]

Shanty towns beginning to emerge,more of this if we remain.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/06/_migrant_slums_london/

 

[Albumen]

We'd be still in deep smog times if it wasn't for the EU due to continued pressure for air cleansing. Half of you oldies who want to Leave would be dead by now if it wasn't for the EU, ironically.

 

[heathgate]

Noted, my own particular point is that worker protection laws existed in the UK before the EU, and in many examples the provision in the UK is more generous from the EU.

Even more importantly this progress was won in the UK by past generations of British workers in this country; handing the laurel leaves of their victories of rights and social justice to a cabal on unelected capitalists who have overseen the devastation of a number of countries economies and the resultant devastation of workers rights is down right lie and insult.

Unfortunately there are too many people who don't understand this country's political history otherwise they would not believe what politicians tell them.

Christ, you are sailing a bit close to the wind there matey.... Herr Tubthumper is going to be right on your case for even daring to suggest that workers rights didn't originate in Angela's little teutonic world..... well he will be on to you just as soon as he has finished guzzling his latest batch of Currywurst.

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[Buzzer]

We'd be still in deep smog times if it wasn't for the EU due to continued pressure for air cleansing. Half of you oldies who want to Leave would be dead by now if it wasn't for the EU, ironically.

Jesus wept, you need a break, you're just making up any old shit now. Smog last recorded in London in 1962 after the Clean Air Act 1956 and made more stringent by the Clean Air Act 1968. We joined the EEC in the mid-70s.

What's your next jackanory story? Women wouldn't have the vote if it wasn't for the EU? Christmas will be banned? We'll lose the use of our thumbs if we vote Brexit?

 

[looney]

If we vote Brexit Aliens will invade and we will all be anally probed.


Sent from my illuminati Boardroom with my fellow Reptoids.

 

[jaghebby]

No agreed, we are not prevented from trading with the rest of the world. What we CAN'T do is strike a better deal with any country the EU already has an agreement with. So even if we wanted to create a better deal with say Brazil, we couldn't because the EU deal prevents us from doing so.

All brexiteers seem to think that it would be easy to strike new and better deals that just seems a very optimistic with no evidence to back up that assertion! What if we can't strike better deals?

 

[pastafarian]

I know El Pres has a tendency to post weird stuff but that is just shit. As we don't currently have a points system for EU migrants how does anyone know who would or wouldn't get enough points. Maybe being a footballer would gain you a decent number of points ? We seem to have African, American and Australian footballers in our leagues all of whom would have to have gone through a points based system.

this is all desperate desperate stuff from the Remainians.

Most sensible stuff i have read on this seems to think post brexit the current regulations for non EU players would be watered down anyway and harmonised (the FA and premier league are quite good at lobbying)
the consensus seems to be this would allow clubs to bring in talent from all over the world but would force them to place much more emphasis on home grown players.

sounds like a good plan,i wonder how many other Vardys are out there in the wilderness because clubs just find it easier to splash cash on EU players.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

All brexiteers seem to think that it would be easy to strike new and better deals that just seems a very optimistic with no evidence to back up that assertion! What if we can't strike better deals?

We are in deep trouble ?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

All brexiteers seem to think that it would be easy to strike new and better deals that just seems a very optimistic with no evidence to back up that assertion! What if we can't strike better deals?

Maybe we wouldn't, maybe we would. We can't even try at the moment. Consider this, if we were attempting to do a deal with China there would be two parties - us and China. The EU attempts to do a deal with China then it needs to try and balance the requirements and desires of 28 nations ( many pulling in different directions ). I know which I would think could be concluded the easiest.

 

[Albumen]

Jesus wept, you need a break, you're just making up any old shit now. Smog last recorded in London in 1962 after the Clean Air Act 1956 and made more stringent by the Clean Air Act 1968. We joined the EEC in the mid-70s.

What's your next jackanory story? Women wouldn't have the vote if it wasn't for the EU? Christmas will be banned? We'll lose the use of our thumbs if we vote Brexit?

Cool your boots, Buzzman.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/06/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-lungs

 

[Buzzer]

Cool your boots, Buzzman.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/06/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-lungs

So it's down to us joining the EEC in 1975 that smog was last recorded here in 1962? Gotcha.

 

[cunning fergus]

Christ, you are sailing a bit close to the wind there matey.... Herr Tubthumper is going to be right on your case for even daring to suggest that workers rights didn't originate in Angela's little teutonic world..... well he will be on to you just as soon as he has finished guzzling his latest batch of Currywurst.

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Well me and HT are diametrically opposed on political terms, and he has regularly stated that the interests of the British working class should not receive any protection from a EU wide free labour market.

He supported the removal of clause 4 and continues to support austerity in poor EU countries.......he is an ersatz socialist, this country and the Labour Party is full of them.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Cool your boots, Buzzman.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/06/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-lungs

More people = more cars, more cars = more pollution, that is how I see it anyway.
Be interested to see whether pollution levels have actually increased or decreased over the last say 10 years in the South East

 

[LlcoolJ]

So much total nonsense on this thread, it's depressing.

Although very different in some ways I see the Leave campaign as having lots of similarities to the Scottish independence one. Lots of nice fluffy ideas and rhetoric, zero economic substance to back them up. It's pie in the sky politics at it's worst as the people pushing these ideas won't be affected personally at all.

Amusing analogy;

Maybe nobody over 40 should be able to vote on this as it's the younger generations whose lives will be influenced by it the most (and mostly old feckers who are voting on idealism rather than facts, interestingly and conversely from the Scottish vote).

 

[portslade seagull]

Absolutely, and the people will be able to vote them out in 2020, although by then the resurgence of the Eurozone and a faltering of the UK economy will have reduced the immigrant flow to a trickle, the threat of Turkish accession will be seen for the scare tactic it is, Boris will be concentrating on writing expensive articles for the Daily Telegraph, Nissan will have opened two more factories and the people may well decide that one close shave is enough and that they're not going to shoot themselves in the foot again.

In Athens and they are all asking us to vote out. They hate the EU here