[Politics] Brexit

[Hampster Gull]

Well the blue UK passport industry, that's going to be booming surely

Agreed, that will boom. Unfortunately our passports are now produced in the EU

 

[The Clamp]

Agreed, that will boom. Unfortunately our passports are now produced in the EU

We'll probably do a roaring trade if we pick up the contract for the ration books.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

We'll probably do a roaring trade if we pick up the contract for the ration books.

Banks will no doubt do a roaring trade; food banks that is.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Thanks. Can you post a link to those polls?

I can't see the YouGov one, but Huffington post says:

"But while voters have conceded another vote on the UK’s exit deal is needed, they have not changed their minds in significant numbers over the UK’s membership of the EU, according to a YouGov poll for The Times newspaper."

Have you heard of Google?

 

[ManOfSussex]

As the Government can't tell them anything, 30 councils who responded to a Sky News FOI request provided their own Brexit impact studies that they produced themselves - https://news.sky.com/story/councils-preparing-for-social-unrest-amid-brexit-uncertainty-11455918

The East Sussex one is here - https://www.scribd.com/document/385...sessment?secret_password=T5LJbB6RMEGd9QIZ0kgh

All #projectfear #remoners #experts obviously.

Anyway, **** business, **** adult social care and **** ESF & ERDF money in East Sussex - we've got our country back.

 

[seagulls4ever]

Thanks. Can you post a link to those polls?

I can't see the YouGov one, but Huffington post says:

"But while voters have conceded another vote on the UK’s exit deal is needed, they have not changed their minds in significant numbers over the UK’s membership of the EU, according to a YouGov poll for The Times newspaper."

The poll results can vary depending on the questions (e.g. second referendum on in/out or second referendum on terms of final deal).

Here's some aggregates (it's easier on my eyes if I click table view):

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...he-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...-exit-from-the-eu-once-they-have-been-agreed/

The polls [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION] can't be compared because they are not like-for-like questions. It's also not perfect to compare polls from different pollsters as they use different methodologies.

There's a bunch more polls listed here:

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/uk-poll-results/

Here's what I posted in another thread (that was subsequently merged with this thread):

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union, or leave the European Union?



Do you think there should be a second referendum to accept or reject the terms of Britain’s exit from the EU once they have been agreed?

 

[Triggaaar]

I can't see the YouGov one, but Huffington post says:

"But while voters have conceded another vote on the UK’s exit deal is needed, they have not changed their minds in significant numbers over the UK’s membership of the EU, according to a YouGov poll for The Times newspaper."

Have you heard of Google?

Have you learned to read?

 

[seagulls4ever]

The poll results can vary depending on the questions (e.g. second referendum on in/out or second referendum on terms of final deal).

Here's some aggregates (it's easier on my eyes if I click table view):

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...he-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...-exit-from-the-eu-once-they-have-been-agreed/

The polls [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION] can't be compared because they are not like-for-like questions. It's also not perfect to compare polls from different pollsters as they use different methodologies.

There's a bunch more polls listed here:

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/uk-poll-results/

Here's what I posted in another thread (that was subsequently merged with this thread):

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union, or leave the European Union?

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Do you think there should be a second referendum to accept or reject the terms of Britain’s exit from the EU once they have been agreed?

View attachment 99334

To add to this, here's the questions of the polls posted by [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION]. They are not asking a simple question about a second referendum, and they are different questions. Some people, for example, might want Brexit in a form other than a no deal and the deal the government suggests - which the Sky Data poll does not take account of.

Sky Data:

Should there be a referendum asking between Brexit with the deal the government suggests, no deal Brexit or not leaving the EU?
Should 50%
Should not 40%
Don't know 10%

YouGov:

Do you think there should be a second referendum to accept or reject the terms of Britain’s exit from the EU once they have been agreed?

Yes - 42%
No - 40%
Don't Know - 18%

BMG:

I can't find this poll.

 

[happypig]

We're not allowed to until we leave the EU

Yes we can. We can negotiate deferred agreements that come into force the minute we leave the EU. The fact that we haven't speaks volumes.

 

[Triggaaar]

The poll results can vary depending on the questions (e.g. second referendum on in/out or second referendum on terms of final deal).

Here's some aggregates (it's easier on my eyes if I click table view):

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...he-european-union-asked-after-the-referendum/

Looking at that, it seems views haven't changed much since 2016.

Obviously before the referendum, polls suggested people would vote to remain. They didn't, and it doesn't look like anything has changed.

 

[Triggaaar]

Yes we can. We can negotiate deferred agreements that come into force the minute we leave the EU.

Not really, because the detail of any agreement would be affected by the deal/no deal we do with the EU.

 

[daveinprague]

Stay in the EU, but just dont tell Brexiteers. They believe anything.

 

[Two Professors]

Let's face it, we haven't time to discuss what you haven't heard of, we leave in March and even I don't think we'll get a long enough extension of membership for that.

What about the 600M we import from Czech Republic in car parts to keep our automotive industry going. (At 3.9% percent of our parts imports, it's not huge but the same as USA and China). I assume whatever the answer is, we will do the same with the rest of our major car part suppliers, Germany, France, Belgium, Italy, Poland and Spain who all supply us with far more.

Already dealt with the motor trade stuff-Power Train deal with Germany-most of it transits the Reich anyway.As for seeing double,you two are just sides of the same coin.

 

[Two Professors]

Was assuming you were spending your time researching what industries will be better off post Brexit. So far we have car park attendants and the tourism industry, perhaps universities. The latter two driven by low sterling though, and we could engineer that within the EU if we chose,so not sure they count.

No I was in the garden watching a tree surgeon deal with some storm damage.As for post-Brexit booming industries,travel will be very busy with all the EU people going home,letting agencies,estate agents,job agencies trying to fill the 3 million vacancies,accordion players,car valeters,delivery drivers,beggars etc.Sky's the limit.Oh,I suppose there might be job losses at AA/RAC with 2 million fewer vehicles on the road.

 

[seagulls4ever]

Looking at that, it seems views haven't changed much since 2016.

Obviously before the referendum, polls suggested people would vote to remain. They didn't, and it doesn't look like anything has changed.

Yeah, some people have been saying there's been a strong swing in favour of remain / a second referendum / a referendum on the final deal, but I haven't seen this myself, which is why I posted this info before. There seems to have been a small shift recently, but not a large one. But the polls aren't perfect anyway, and there's margin of error and outliers to take into account too. I think pollsters have changed methodologies a bit since 2016 though to account for not getting the referendum result correct.

 

[Hampster Gull]

No I was in the garden watching a tree surgeon deal with some storm damage.As for post-Brexit booming industries,travel will be very busy with all the EU people going home,letting agencies,estate agents,job agencies trying to fill the 3 million vacancies,accordion players,car valeters,delivery drivers,beggars etc.Sky's the limit.

Looks a lot like an economic depression, not sunny uplands. I am sure you can do better than wanting the population of Britain to become beggars etc. There must be something more from Brexit

 

[nicko31]

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/half-uk-voters-support-second-eu-referendum-finds-poll

Second Referendum?
Yes - 50%
No - 40%
Don't Know - 10%

YouGov for The Times

Yes - 42%
No - 40%
Don't Know - 18%

BMG Independent Poll

Yes - 44%
No - 27%
Don't Know - 29%

From polls over last 3 months - i.e. previously fairly strongly against a second ref, national sentiment is now swinging quite strongly towards a second ref.

Labour will break cover at some point, the polls are only going into one direction. We are literally staring into the abyss

 

[seagulls4ever]

Yeah, some people have been saying there's been a strong swing in favour of remain / a second referendum / a referendum on the final deal, but I haven't seen this myself, which is why I posted this info before. There seems to have been a small shift recently, but not a large one. But the polls aren't perfect anyway, and there's margin of error and outliers to take into account too. I think pollsters have changed methodologies a bit since 2016 though to account for not getting the referendum result correct.

Just to point out, there's a separate page for polls conducted before the referendum:

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...om-remain-a-member-of-the-eu-or-leave-the-eu/

 

[happypig]

Not really, because the detail of any agreement would be affected by the deal/no deal we do with the EU.

If anything it would strengthen our hand, as we could say to them pesky Europeans "we have got a deal with China/USA/Pacific Alliance, if you can equal or better it, then lets talk". At the moment we are going in there and they are saying "You got no deals so whatever we offer is better".

It's a bit like car insurance; you get a renewal notice for £250 and ring up to say "I'm cancelling because it's too much", so they say "what can you get it for then ?" and you say "Dunno"; The pressure is on you to accept whatever they offer you or cancel and find better. If, however, you have done a bit of legwork and can say "I got a quote from the AA for £190" then the pressure is on them to match or beat it.

 

[nicko31]

Three blokes down pub discuss Brexit

https://youtu.be/Sx4AF-3Rd44

Anyone still think Brexit is good for the UK?