[Politics] Brexit

[BigGully]

I’ve just watched this. If Macron’s eloquence is anything to go by it’s no wonder the EU are owning David Davis.

You're just an avid Europhile and you offer no balance whatsoever, for that reason your daily post have become irrelevant.

You have been throwing rotten eggs at the UK since before the referendum and you have now flipped from your usual drivel of how the dour Merkel is at least strong and stable and today you are swooning over Macron, charismatic and eloquent seems to be today's preferred political attributes.

Interestingly you and [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION] seem to acknowledge that the French electorate too might wish to leave the EU, but you commend Macron the modern progressive Europhile for ignoring their wishes and somehow he deserves your adulation for doing so, arrogant doesn't even begin to cover you two

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You're just an avid Europhile and you offer no balance whatsoever, for that reason your daily post have become irrelevant.

You have been throwing rotten eggs at the UK since before the referendum and you have now flipped from your usual drivel of how the dour Merkel is at least strong and stable and today you are swooning over Macron, charismatic and eloquent seems to be today's preferred political attributes.

Interestingly you and [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION] seem to acknowledge that the French electorate too might wish to leave the EU, but you commend Macron the modern progressive Europhile for ignoring their wishes and somehow he deserves your adulation for doing so, arrogant doesn't even begin to cover you two

You, of all people, could learn a thing or two from Macron’s linguistic eloquence

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You're just an avid Europhile and you offer no balance whatsoever, for that reason your daily post have become irrelevant.

But not irrelevant enough for you to write a lengthy reply?

 

[BigGully]

But not irrelevant enough for you to write a lengthy reply?

I thought it best you knew ........

 

[Baldseagull]

You're just an avid Europhile and you offer no balance whatsoever, for that reason your daily post have become irrelevant.

You have been throwing rotten eggs at the UK since before the referendum and you have now flipped from your usual drivel of how the dour Merkel is at least strong and stable and today you are swooning over Macron, charismatic and eloquent seems to be today's preferred political attributes.

Interestingly you and [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION] seem to acknowledge that the French electorate too might wish to leave the EU, but you commend Macron the modern progressive Europhile for ignoring their wishes and somehow he deserves your adulation for doing so, arrogant doesn't even begin to cover you two

Too simple is a good description of the referendum question, and if you were not, you could perhaps present an argument otherwise.

 

[Simster]

Interestingly you and [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION] seem to acknowledge that the French electorate too might wish to leave the EU, but you commend Macron the modern progressive Europhile for ignoring their wishes and somehow he deserves your adulation for doing so, arrogant doesn't even begin to cover you two

There is a rump of about 35% of the French electorate who are discontent with the EU, about the same as the Swedish. That's not an insignificant level of unhappy people, but it's far from a majority.

If the EU is serious about it's problems, it needs to pay attention to these people - otherwise other countries will end up cutting their noses off to spite their faces (i.e. vote to leave) just as we have done. Things do need to change in Brussels, as EU rule makers are simply not transparent nor democratic enough at the moment.

 

[BigGully]

There is a rump of about 35% of the French electorate who are discontent with the EU, about the same as the Swedish. That's not an insignificant level of unhappy people, but it's far from a majority.

If the EU is serious about it's problems, it needs to pay attention to these people - otherwise other countries will end up cutting their noses off to spite their faces (i.e. vote to leave) just as we have done. Things do need to change in Brussels, as EU rule makers are simply not transparent nor democratic enough at the moment.

I tend to agree, but you need to perhaps aim your post at [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] and [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION], they have no inclination to acknowledge that, they lurch from one snippet of current economic data that they believe shows the UK as some failing economy whilst exaggerating anything that comes from Europe, whether that be the demeanour of their politicians or a quite agreeable EU directive that they then say the UK couldn't possibly deliver on its own.

You will hear regularly HT giving a commentary of how the UK is getting 'owned' etc, its his default position and soon he is at a tipping point where he sounds anti UK, it's seems an odd characteristic to me.

 

[Simster]

I tend to agree, but you need to perhaps aim your post at [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] and [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION], they have no inclination to acknowledge that, they lurch from one snippet of current economic data that they believe shows the UK as some failing economy whilst exaggerating anything that comes from Europe, whether that be the demeanour of their politicians or a quite agreeable EU directive that they then say the UK couldn't possibly deliver on its own.

You will hear regularly HT giving a commentary of how the UK is getting 'owned' etc, its his default position and soon he is at a tipping point where he sounds anti UK, it's seems an odd characteristic to me.

No I don't need to aim my post at anyone in particular. I tend to broadly agree with HT in that the British are indeed getting owned, but that was always going to be the case given the blanket refusal of our Brexit ministers to even contemplate the unpalatable truth that the EU held all the aces from the start. The rest of what he says is just gravy as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You will hear regularly HT giving a commentary of how the UK is getting 'owned' etc, its his default position and soon he is at a tipping point where he sounds anti UK, it's seems an odd characteristic to me.

As you have stated yourself, I enjoy my time in the UK. So you suggesting I’m possibly anti-UK is nonsense. Once again for the record I’m anti-Tory and anti Brexit. I also believe many elements of the UK could be improved. This does not make me anti anything other than Tory and Brexit. Why cannot you comprehend this? And do you really genuinely believe David Davis is doing well?

 

[BigGully]

As you have stated yourself, I enjoy my time in the UK. So you suggesting I’m possibly anti-UK is nonsense. Once again for the record I’m anti-Tory and anti Brexit. I also believe many elements of the UK could be improved. This does not make me anti anything other than Tory and Brexit. Why cannot you comprehend this? And do you really genuinely believe David Davis is doing well?

I actually meant anti UK in terms of Brexit, not only do you foresee a Brexit which will exclusively harm the UK your posts infer that this would be your preferred outcome, your sneering words towards the UK in these negotiations are here for all to see, there is no balance towards the UK you are just German version of your favourite jibe 'Pub Landlord'.

As for David Davis I really couldn't tell you, I guess that will become apparent in the months ahead, I tend to feel the UK is more robust than you do and suspect Davis will have a stronger hand than you think too, perhaps the EU will be more conciliatory than what we both thought, time will tell.

I am a pragmatist so I am not locked into a narrow set of red lines, so perhaps I am easier to please than others whereas I think you might not be so happy with the eventual outcome.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I actually meant anti UK in terms of Brexit, not only do you foresee a Brexit which will exclusively harm the UK your posts infer that this would be your preferred outcome, your sneering words towards the UK in these negotiations are here for all to see, there is no balance towards the UK you are just German version of your favourite jibe 'Pub Landlord'.

As for David Davis I really couldn't tell you, I guess that will become apparent in the months ahead, I tend to feel the UK is more robust than you do and suspect Davis will have a stronger hand than you think too, perhaps the EU will be more conciliatory than what we both thought, time will tell.

I am a pragmatist so I am not locked into a narrow set of red lines, so perhaps I am easier to please than others whereas I think you might not be so happy with the eventual outcome.

I understand now. Unfortunately, like all of us with Brexit, I have been forced to take a side; I can’t have the UK and the EU anymore. I have always seen myself as an EU citizen first and foremost, I chose to live in the EU and on balance support most of their direct and indirect values. My passport also states European Union at the top. Seems only natural to me to stick with what I believe in as doing something different would be wrong. After all, you are no doubt doing exactly the same? Supporting one thing over another does not necessarily mean you are anti something though.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Pretty poor to say your interpretation of the referendum words “Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?” means we cannot have the same model as Norway or Switzerland who aren’t in the EU. Your revisionary view of the ballot and the desire to steamroller the country to your narrow Interpretation is a bit dictatorial

Unsurprisingly not an adequate answer to the question I posed. Hardly a narrow interpretation ..' take back control' was the main theme of the campaign and as previously mentioned all sides (including the EU) made it clear a vote to leave meant leaving the internal/single market.

Even better in the 2017 General election both main parties set out their Brexit policy in their manifestos clarifying this matter further. They got over 80% of the vote whereas parties saying we should stay in the single market and/or have a second referendum came nowhere.

You have the good sense to distant yourself from the far left loons I hope your not in the same camp as the undemocratic Loon in Chief the Impster. His position being a referendum mandate should be ignored because the issue is too complex and a General election mandate doesn't count because voters vote for a range of issues. It's pretty obvious the only vote that some will ever accept is the one that agrees with their pov.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You're just an avid Europhile and you offer no balance whatsoever, for that reason your daily post have become irrelevant.

You have been throwing rotten eggs at the UK since before the referendum and you have now flipped from your usual drivel of how the dour Merkel is at least strong and stable and today you are swooning over Macron, charismatic and eloquent seems to be today's preferred political attributes.

Interestingly you and [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION] seem to acknowledge that the French electorate too might wish to leave the EU, but you commend Macron the modern progressive Europhile for ignoring their wishes and somehow he deserves your adulation for doing so, arrogant doesn't even begin to cover you two

Amusing but not surprising to see Champagne socialists, liberals, Europhiles lording a man intent on curbing union power, reducing workers rights, tightening immigration controls ... stick a blue rosette on him call him a Tory he would be the antichrist!

 

[Dave the OAP]

Just took part in a feasibility study of moving a customer to Luxembourg out of the City of London.( not a small company either) That is the fifth one I have been involved in the last month ( since Christmas) Looks like this is starting to gain momentum. Better start chucking more money in my pension as it may be needed sooner than I had thought.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

You have the good sense to distant yourself from the far left loons I hope your not in the same camp as the undemocratic Loon in Chief the Impster. His position being a referendum mandate should be ignored because the issue is too complex and a General election mandate doesn't count because voters vote for a range of issues. It's pretty obvious the only vote that some will ever accept is the one that agrees with their pov.

Being called a loon by someone with your distorted view of democracy is something anyone would be happy with, but just for the record my view on referendums on complex issues is the same as many on here (and the same, of course, as that loon in Paris), especially when the implications of any vote are largely unknown. You want what most would term a hard Brexit and your efforts to claim that the general election result shows widespread support - you persistently use that 80 per cent figure - for your position is not something I accept.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Just took part in a feasibility study of moving a customer to Luxembourg out of the City of London.( not a small company either) That is the fifth one I have been involved in the last month ( since Christmas) Looks like this is starting to gain momentum. Better start chucking more money in my pension as it may be needed sooner than I had thought.

Hidden from the masses until it’s too late. The vote on the terms will sort this out

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Being called a loon by someone with your distorted view of democracy is something anyone would be happy with, but just for the record my view on referendums on complex issues is the same as many on here (and the same, of course, as that loon in Paris), especially when the implications of any vote are largely unknown. You want what most would term a hard Brexit and your efforts to claim that the general election result shows widespread support - you persistently use that 80 per cent figure - for your position is not something I accept.

Ignoring a referendum and a General election mandate is quite a reasonable defintion when it comes to summing up an undemocratic loon. Who is this 'most' you talk of ... shirley you really mean people that only agree with you?

 

[portslade seagull]

Just took part in a feasibility study of moving a customer to Luxembourg out of the City of London.( not a small company either) That is the fifth one I have been involved in the last month ( since Christmas) Looks like this is starting to gain momentum. Better start chucking more money in my pension as it may be needed sooner than I had thought.

Different to what the papers were saying yesterday. 5k max they reckon

 

[WATFORD zero]

Different to what the papers were saying yesterday. 5k max they reckon

He's telling you what is happening in his job that he does every day and has done for some years

 

[portslade seagull]

He's telling you what is happening in his job that he does every day and has done for some years

Insinuating large numbers, I was questioning this. Sounds like another scare story. Loads of jobs in most firms have been shipped abroad mainly India to save money. Funny how none of that has been plumped on Brexit