[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

Where on earth do you come up with this claptrap!?

See your “on ignore” is continuing to baffle you then.

Constipation is caused by lack of fecal hydration.

had an inkling this would be your specialist subject.

 

[Two Professors]

Tighter borders, that is where. Give one reason why someone's place of birth should have any impact on their ability to freely move and work wherever they want? You can't. Not one that isn't racist anyway.

Congratulations.A new winner of NSC's Most Stupid Poster award.The Clamp can retire now.South Africa's borders are racist,set up by racists?Nobody is allowed to stop people with deadly diseases entering their country because it's racist?You tool.

 

[Two Professors]

Ah another survey/poll.Not sure a graph from a self-reporting racial prejudice survey really tells the picture.
Surely a better first stop for you trying to prove the majority of racists are 60 or over would be the CPS website, they after all gather the data annually on which age groups are involved in areas of crime including race hate crimes.

2016-2017

1% of race hate crime defendants were in age group 10-13
6% of race hate crime defendants were in age group 14-17
18% of race hate crime defendants were in age group 18-24
70% of race hate crime defendants were in age group 25-59
5% of race hate crime defendants were in age group 60+
(conviction rate 84%)

https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/cps_hate_crime_report_2017.pdf
https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/defaul...lications/cps-hate-crime-report-data-2017.pdf

Now whilst these are defendants after decisions to prosecute and not convictions, you will see the conviction rate is high at 84%

Those older people (over 60) don’t seem to be the majority group being racist in the slightest. Perhaps its you and others who have the generations levels arse about face.
Your and others willingness to portray the older generation (over 60) as the racist hot bed generation doesn’t surprise me though.
There has appeared in the last two or three years in this country an unfounded attack on the oldest generation, a concerted attack on them to demonise them and align blame to them. This worsened after the Brexit vote, some of the language against them(“hopefully they will all die soon”) was appalling. If only all those old people would simply bugger off and stop being a burden to progressive dogma is in itself a form of denial that continues regularly, its looking like you are part of that prejudice too.
But hey, lets stick with the tired old narrative from bitter remainers that its mostly old people that are racist and old people voted to leave therefore by genius deduction the whole leave campaign is from racists for racists. And you wonder why people laugh at remainers when they don’t understand why they lost as they crazily apportion blame to old racists and the Daily Mail.

Top bombing.This should be bounced every time one of those self-righteous liars plays the racist and/or ageist card.

 

[Dr. No]

Any border control is racist by definition yes.

No.

 

[Biscuit]

Countdown to economic suicide and blue passports: http://www.howlongagogo.com/date/2019/march/29

 

[larus]

Any border control is racist by definition yes.

I’ve read some dumb things on NSC over the years (after all, I’ve had the misfortune to read Nibble/The Clamp posts and Herr Tubthumper ‘Strong and Stable’ crap too), but wow, just f*cking wow. This must make the top ten of retarded posts.

Please explain to me how things such as education or the NHS would work without border controls? Would you expect anyone to be able to move anywhere in the world and work, get health care etc? Who’s going to raise taxes (on whom), and who will be entitled to the benefits from those taxes? I assume you’d be quite happy for ISIS fighters to cross the channel with arms in the suitcase and just waltz right into this country?

I assume you must be a teenager/early twenties whose still in the idealism phase.

Wait until you grow up and understand the realities of the world a little more .

 

[Baldseagull]

Ah another survey/poll.Not sure a graph from a self-reporting racial prejudice survey really tells the picture.
Surely a better first stop for you trying to prove the majority of racists are 60 or over would be the CPS website, they after all gather the data annually on which age groups are involved in areas of crime including race hate crimes.

2016-2017

1% of race hate crime defendants were in age group 10-13
6% of race hate crime defendants were in age group 14-17
18% of race hate crime defendants were in age group 18-24
70% of race hate crime defendants were in age group 25-59
5% of race hate crime defendants were in age group 60+
(conviction rate 84%)

https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/cps_hate_crime_report_2017.pdf
https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/defaul...lications/cps-hate-crime-report-data-2017.pdf

Now whilst these are defendants after decisions to prosecute and not convictions, you will see the conviction rate is high at 84%

Those older people (over 60) don’t seem to be the majority group being racist in the slightest. Perhaps its you and others who have the generations levels arse about face.
Your and others willingness to portray the older generation (over 60) as the racist hot bed generation doesn’t surprise me though.
There has appeared in the last two or three years in this country an unfounded attack on the oldest generation, a concerted attack on them to demonise them and align blame to them. This worsened after the Brexit vote, some of the language against them(“hopefully they will all die soon”) was appalling. If only all those old people would simply bugger off and stop being a burden to progressive dogma is in itself a form of denial that continues regularly, its looking like you are part of that prejudice too.
But hey, lets stick with the tired old narrative from bitter remainers that its mostly old people that are racist and old people voted to leave therefore by genius deduction the whole leave campaign is from racists for racists. And you wonder why people laugh at remainers when they don’t understand why they lost as they crazily apportion blame to old racists and the Daily Mail.

Lets stick with the tired old narrative if it is true.
You can have racial prejudices without committing racial assault, 80% of those accused were men, are you going to claim that men are 4 times more racist than women?
My Granny was racist but never abused anyone. However, if she could have voted to make Britain whiter, I am sure she would have. Yours are useless stats in terms of determining which generations have the most racist attitudes, and I am sure you know it.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Humans should have the basic right to move, live and work ANYWHERE. If you remove borders and there are problems, like you state, it is a symptom of a broken world. We should fix that, not put up more walls.

I am with larus, you,are in cloud cuckoo land

 

[larus]

Humans should have the basic right to move, live and work ANYWHERE. If you remove borders and there are problems, like you state, it is a symptom of a broken world. We should fix that, not put up more walls.

This is IDEALISM over PRAGMATISM.

According to you, anyone should be able to come to this country - RIGHT NOW.

So, how many of these people who would like to come to this country now would want to do us harm? Lots IMO.
How would the infrastructure cope? Housing, schools, roads, hospitals, doctors etc, as surely they are all entitled to these basic human rights.
How would you tax people to pay for all of these services? People could come in, go self-employed and invoice customers for work (any type of work), yet never pay tax. How would the government tax them, as they come and go as they please.

As I said, I’ve read some dumb stuff on here, but you’re up there with them.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This is IDEALISM over PRAGMATISM.

According to you, anyone should be able to come to this country - RIGHT NOW.

So, how many of these people who would like to come to this country now would want to do us harm? Lots IMO.
How would the infrastructure cope? Housing, schools, roads, hospitals, doctors etc, as surely they are all entitled to these basic human rights.
How would you tax people to pay for all of these services? People could come in, go self-employed and invoice customers for work (any type of work), yet never pay tax. How would the government tax them, as they come and go as they please.

As I said, I’ve read some dumb stuff on here, but you’re up there with them.

I can answer your tax question. You will tax them in exactly the same way as what currently happens. In fact you have a few models to choose from, for example you can have the German model where any nationality pays German tax on world wide income if they’re are in the country for more than 6 months. Or the US model where a US citizen is liable to pay tax to the US as well as following the tax law of country they reside in.

 

[WATFORD zero]

See your “on ignore” is continuing to baffle you then.



had an inkling this would be your specialist subject.

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You've edited all your tabs and bookmarks to make it look like the last time you posted your screenshot with all your porn bookmarks it wasn't a stupid mistake. Hope you feel that going to all that trouble was worthwhile

You are a Wit (well you're halfway there)

 

[pastafarian]

You've edited all your tabs and bookmarks to make it look like the last time you posted your screenshot with all your porn bookmarks it wasn't a stupid mistake - You are a Wit

(well you're halfway there)

Another gullible one, its like an epidemic with you lot.

 

[portslade seagull]

I can answer your tax question. You will tax them in exactly the same way as what currently happens. In fact you have a few models to choose from, for example you can have the German model where any nationality pays German tax on world wide income if they’re are in the country for more than 6 months. Or the US model where a US citizen is liable to pay tax to the US as well as following the tax law of country they reside in.

I think Larus is saying they would then be working under the radar if they had just walked in

 

[pastafarian]

Lets stick with the tired old narrative if it is true.
You can have racial prejudices without committing racial assault, 80% of those accused were men, are you going to claim that men are 4 times more racist than women?
My Granny was racist but never abused anyone. However, if she could have voted to make Britain whiter, I am sure she would have. Yours are useless stats in terms of determining which generations have the most racist attitudes, and I am sure you know it.

Carry on your denial to suit your prejudice, carry on applying the standards of people like your granny( when she was a racist) to modern day.(seriously? )Surprised you didn’t mention again its what you hear down the pub.
Deny the figures if you want and keep to the tired old narrative if that is at your limits of understanding,just enforces my belief you and others are agenda driven at the expense of evidence. Racial hate crime carried out by racists does not have to be assault. Sounds like you didn’t know that.

 

[larus]

I can answer your tax question. You will tax them in exactly the same way as what currently happens. In fact you have a few models to choose from, for example you can have the German model where any nationality pays German tax on world wide income if they’re are in the country for more than 6 months. Or the US model where a US citizen is liable to pay tax to the US as well as following the tax law of country they reside in.

Problem is with open borders (which is what the original point was), there is no way to know how long anyone has been anywhere. He is saying there should be no borders as this is racism. If you don’t know when people come/from then how can you determine who to tax? It’s completely nonsensical.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I think Larus is saying they would then be working under the radar if they had just walked in

But anyone can currently walk into a country and work under-the-radar if they really want to, People currently do this all over the world. You obviously need laws and application and upholding of laws to minimise this. At the very start you need a basic residency register, I was shocked to find out the UK doesn’t have on. Then you have tax law....and you apply these. Again the UK doesn’t do this as rigorously as other nations.

 

[portslade seagull]

But anyone can currently walk into a country and work under-the-radar if they really want to, People currently do this all over the world. You obviously need laws and application and upholding of laws to minimise this. At the very start you need a basic residency register, I was shocked to find out the UK doesn’t have on. Then you have tax law....and you apply these. Again the UK doesn’t do this as rigorously as other nations.

I'm with you on this one.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It would appear the ongoing project fear /we're all doomed campaign isn't having the desired effect.

A majority of Britons believe that the country was right to vote for Brexit for the first time in six months.

A new poll by YouGov found that 45 per cent of people think Britons were right to vote to leave the European Union, up three per cent.

The same poll found that 44 per cent of people think the UK is wrong to want to leave, down two per cent.

The YouGov tracking poll tests the will of the people with regularly survey.

Matthew Goodwin, the polling expert, said it was the first time since July 2007 that “right has been ahead” of wrong in the tracking poll.

He added: “As I have argued since June 2016, we will see no major shifts in public opinion on this question because it is a vote that is far more expressive/value driven than 'normal' policy choices.”

Which will come as a surprise to some on here who have assured us Remain would win a second referendum by a landslide ....

 

[Baldseagull]

Carry on your denial to suit your prejudice, carry on applying the standards of people like your granny( when she was a racist) to modern day.(seriously? )Surprised you didn’t mention again its what you hear down the pub.
Deny the figures if you want and keep to the tired old narrative if that is at your limits of understanding,just enforces my belief you and others are agenda driven at the expense of evidence. Racial hate crime carried out by racists does not have to be assault. Sounds like you didn’t know that.

It is not me that is in denial on this particular issue. Forgive my narrow definition of a hate crime as assault, but can we assume that the older generation are also less likely to graffiti walls, send threatening emails, or shout abuse on the bus, at anyone they don't like?

 

[Baldseagull]

This is IDEALISM over PRAGMATISM.

According to you, anyone should be able to come to this country - RIGHT NOW.

So, how many of these people who would like to come to this country now would want to do us harm? Lots IMO.
How would the infrastructure cope? Housing, schools, roads, hospitals, doctors etc, as surely they are all entitled to these basic human rights.
How would you tax people to pay for all of these services? People could come in, go self-employed and invoice customers for work (any type of work), yet never pay tax. How would the government tax them, as they come and go as they please.

As I said, I’ve read some dumb stuff on here, but you’re up there with them.

I don't think he is saying what should happen, but he is saying that giving one group of people a right, and denying that right to others, is by it's nature, discriminatory. Though he has phrased it badly and incorrectly applied racism to it.
You can question on what basis does the group allowed to live and work somewhere gain that right, and think on whether it is fair or not. By birth in a place? By having parents from that place? In some cases, one grandparent from that place? None of us choose our ancestery, so it does seem a little unfair that someone who is second generation Irish Australian, and never left the continent, could apply for an Irish passport, get one, and be free to live and work anywhere in the EU, yet we who have no recent Irish ancestry, but have paid into the EU budget for years via our taxes, may soon lose that right.