[Politics] Brexit

[Two Professors]

It's intelligentsia.

Well done.Have a biscuit.

 

[The Clamp]

Jumping in without reading things through properly again.Those links have nothing whatsoever to do with the failures in mental health provision,so do one,you utter fool.

Well you need to better construct your posts and make them clearer because the one I quoted had you referring to both the dwindling numbers of NHS staff and failures in mental health care, summing up with saying you don't believe it has anything whatsoever to do with brexit. It reads as if you mean both elements of the post. Not doing great today are you! You utter fool.

 

[Hampster Gull]

This thread is going well I see

 

[Blue3]

I think this article shows that elite group might know better than the NSC 'intelligentia'.

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Surely the extra revenue for the tax which is good but means the cost to the consumer will also be much higher?

 

[Titanic]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...corbyns-wooing-warn-would-trash-britains/amp/

Jeremy Corbyn would make Britain less competitive in the world and harm the poorest the most, the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) had warned.

The Labour leader sought to woo companies, telling the CBI's annual conference: "We have common ground."

Mr Corbyn said he wanted to avoid a cliff-edge Brexit, unilaterally guarantee the rights of EU workers in the UK, and spend more money to create a more highly skilled workforce and "world class infrastructure".

But the Labour leader did not shy away from more traditional left-wing ground, telling the bosses they could also expect to face higher taxes and a wave of nationalisations under his plans.

The CBI welcomed his ideas to promote clarity in the Brexit process, and also agreed in principle that more infrastructure investment is needed.

But the business group warned that Mr Corbyn had reached the wrong policy conclusions.

"There are fundamental differences on the ways to get there," said Carolyn Fairbairn, the CBI's director general.

“It is clear that competitive markets are the best way to improve people’s lives. Abandoning this model will hurt those who need help most and make the UK a laggard in the global race for investment."

 

[Mental Lental]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...corbyns-wooing-warn-would-trash-britains/amp/

Jeremy Corbyn would make Britain less competitive in the world and harm the poorest the most, the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) had warned.

The Labour leader sought to woo companies, telling the CBI's annual conference: "We have common ground."

Mr Corbyn said he wanted to avoid a cliff-edge Brexit, unilaterally guarantee the rights of EU workers in the UK, and spend more money to create a more highly skilled workforce and "world class infrastructure".

But the Labour leader did not shy away from more traditional left-wing ground, telling the bosses they could also expect to face higher taxes and a wave of nationalisations under his plans.

The CBI welcomed his ideas to promote clarity in the Brexit process, and also agreed in principle that more infrastructure investment is needed.

But the business group warned that Mr Corbyn had reached the wrong policy conclusions.

"There are fundamental differences on the ways to get there," said Carolyn Fairbairn, the CBI's director general.

“It is clear that competitive markets are the best way to improve people’s lives. Abandoning this model will hurt those who need help most and make the UK a laggard in the global race for investment."

So the CBI are basically saying that for businesess, Brexit is a cluster**** of the highest order and you thought that highlighting a few of their criticisms of Corbyn somehow makes this article a win for you and your fellow Breximpletons?

Jesus wept.

 

[Berty23]

I am still amazed that so many people seem to think that being anti Brexit means you are automatically pro Corbyn. Can't you be anti screwing our country up due to people blinded by false promises and also anti messing country up due to primary school yard policy? The massive irony in all this is that those Tory supporters who keep blindly championing Brexit are the ones who are helping get Corbyn into government. This could be absolute carnage. Sorry for talking our Country Down.

 

[nicko31]

But who promised it Mr. NHS?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...ledge-eu-simon-stevens-brussels-a8043191.html

Not a hope I'm afraid, spreadsheet Phil knows there's bog all in the kitty. Frankly, amazes me this is still news, it will never happen

 

[nicko31]

I am still amazed that so many people seem to think that being anti Brexit means you are automatically pro Corbyn. Can't you be anti screwing our country up due to people blinded by false promises and also anti messing country up due to primary school yard policy? The massive irony in all this is that those Tory supporters who keep blindly championing Brexit are the ones who are helping get Corbyn into government. This could be absolute carnage. Sorry for talking our Country Down.

Brexit and Corbyn really would be the perfect storm. Interesting if Corbyn and Trump were in power at the same time, it would almost be funny

 

[CHAPPERS]

Brexit and Corbyn really would be the perfect storm.

Unfortunately I think what we actually have is the perfect storm.

 

[nicko31]

Another day, still no Brexit impact papers. They are now saying 3 weeks, are we talking contempt of Parliament here? Complete chaos reigns...

 

[ManOfSussex]

If Corbyn ends up being the democratic will of the people, then you must respect the overwhelming mandate given to him, give him a chance and stop moaning etc, etc. - remember the Brexiteers told us that's what you must do after election results.

I agree with the sentiments above though on the perfect storm. I've always thought for a long time Corbyn is going to be the biggest winner from Brexit........and I must admit that whatever plays out now the ironic fact that Miss Marple Britain, blue rinse Tories from Sussex, with their Brexit at any cost ideology, are helping to make it happen, whilst frothing into their Daily Telegraph's at the prospect of it occurring.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Another day, still no Brexit impact papers. They are now saying 3 weeks, are we talking contempt of Parliament here? Complete chaos reigns...

"We've got 50, nearly 60 sector analyses already done." - David Davis 25 June 2017

"It is not the case that 58 sectoral impacts assessments exist." - David Davis 7 November 2017

Was he probably lying then, or is he probably lying now, or does he probably not know what he's doing?

 

[ManOfSussex]

But who promised it Mr. NHS?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...ledge-eu-simon-stevens-brussels-a8043191.html

Not a hope I'm afraid, spreadsheet Phil knows there's bog all in the kitty. Frankly, amazes me this is still news, it will never happen

Simon Stevens has a point here though:

Trust in democratic politics will not be strengthened if anyone now tries to argue: 'You voted Brexit, partly for a better funded health service. But precisely because of Brexit, you now can't have one.'
A modern NHS is itself part of the practical answer to the deep social concerns that gave rise to Brexit. At a time of national division, an NHS that brings us together. An institution that tops the list of what people say makes them proudest to be British. Ahead of the Army, the monarchy or the BBC. Unifying young and old, town and country, the struggling and the better off.

 

[nicko31]

"We've got 50, nearly 60 sector analyses already done." - David Davis 25 June 2017

"It is not the case that 58 sectoral impacts assessments exist." - David Davis 7 November 2017

Was he probably lying then, or is he probably lying now, or does he probably not know what he's doing?

Maybe they don't exist at all and are being written as we speak.

 

[portslade seagull]

A dose of Corbyn and Brexit will seem like child's play compared

 

[beorhthelm]

But who promised it Mr. NHS?

well no one promised it, it was a suggested alternative. either way, its rather crass opportunism to call for addition funding from that dividend now, when its not due for another few years.

"We've got 50, nearly 60 sector analyses already done." - David Davis 25 June 2017

"It is not the case that 58 sectoral impacts assessments exist." - David Davis 7 November 2017

Was he probably lying then, or is he probably lying now, or does he probably not know what he's doing?

or people quote selectively, the letter goes on to say that "The sectoral analysis is a wide mix of qualitative and quantitative analysis, contained in a range of documents developed at different times since the referendum".

 

[portslade seagull]

well no one promised it, it was a suggested alternative. either way, its rather crass opportunism to call for addition funding from that dividend now, when its not due for another few years.



or people quote selectively, the letter goes on to say that "The sectoral analysis is a wide mix of qualitative and quantitative analysis, contained in a range of documents developed at different times since the referendum".

Don't spoil there negative tones. They only take the bad bits and there eyes go misty at the positive ones

 

[Two Professors]

Well you need to better construct your posts and make them clearer because the one I quoted had you referring to both the dwindling numbers of NHS staff and failures in mental health care, summing up with saying you don't believe it has anything whatsoever to do with brexit. It reads as if you mean both elements of the post. Not doing great today are you! You utter fool.

Perhaps if you high-lighted the area you wanted to draw attention to,like normal people do........no,forget it

 

[ManOfSussex]

Don't spoil there negative tones. They only take the bad bits and there eyes go misty at the positive ones

What's positive about that then?