[Politics] Brexit

[beorhthelm]

So food will be cheaper overall? Is that what you are saying?

that would be the expectation of tariff free trade.

 

[nicko31]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...talks-vote-against-lib-dem-tory-a8003186.html

David Davis thinks a lot of himself doesn't he, demanding things of opposition parties. Cock.

We seem to have an assault on democracy every month from the Tories.

Next thing up, is an attempt to do some gerrymandering on constituency boundaries, they seem to forget they have no majority and not even the DUP will support them

 

[Moshe Gariani]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-time-has-come-for-theresa-may-to-tell-the-nation-brexit-can%E2%80%99t-be-done/ar-AAtAYJl?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=ientp

 

[portslade seagull]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-time-has-come-for-theresa-may-to-tell-the-nation-brexit-can%E2%80%99t-be-done/ar-AAtAYJl?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=ientp

That bloke is a cock of the highest order

 

[nicko31]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-time-has-come-for-theresa-may-to-tell-the-nation-brexit-can%E2%80%99t-be-done/ar-AAtAYJl?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=ientp

Best PM we never had. If he had been leading Labour during the referendum we'd have all this sh1t behind us, and would actually doing things to make Britain better. Instead we in pure damage control nothing else

 

[Deleted member 22389]

That bloke is a cock of the highest order

Can't stand the bloke either, but he's still doing OK after ****ing our country up.

 

[beorhthelm]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-time-has-come-for-theresa-may-to-tell-the-nation-brexit-can%E2%80%99t-be-done/ar-AAtAYJl?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=ientp

he's probably right. its becoming clear that its too late, we're already too entrenched into the EU system to extract ourselves gracefully. prehaps we should instead sue for peace and try to come to some agreement that we dont have to continue on the interventionist path, that we remain outside the Euro, outside of centralised fiscal policy, foreign policy, army etc. its doubtful though, appearing weak having backed out of Exit, why would they agree to anything? so we just meekly accept the path ahead, complaining pointlessly at each stage, but everything will be easier that way? (and i do really mean that, i always assumed pragmatism from EU would see out stupid political posturing so a sensible, mutualy acceptable exit could be agreed, this clearly isnt case)

 

[ManOfSussex]

Next thing up, is an attempt to do some gerrymandering on constituency boundaries, they seem to forget they have no majority and not even the DUP will support them

The proposed boundary changes projected on June's election would have made Sinn Fein the largest party in Northern Ireland in terms of Westminster seats.

 

[nicko31]

The proposed boundary changes projected on June's election would have made Sinn Fein the largest party in Northern Ireland in terms of Westminster seats.

It ain't gonna happen, end of.....

They'll try though, anything to win an election

 

[Baldseagull]

Canada doesn't have to pay a membership fee or adhere to free movement of people, but they got a free trade deal. You can't apply these rules to Canada and the EU to tell us we couldn't have the same sort of deal.

The deal Canada has will not allow Canadian Banks to sell financial products in the EU, or Canadian airlines to operate services within the EU. Many other areas are reduced tariff, rather than zero tariff. It would be an improvement on leaving without a deal, but it is a long way short of what we currently have. Both the EU and the UK would hope to do better than this, but until we can get close to agreement on what our obligations are, we cant even do a Canada type deal.

 

[Baldseagull]

he's probably right. its becoming clear that its too late, we're already too entrenched into the EU system to extract ourselves gracefully. prehaps we should instead sue for peace and try to come to some agreement that we dont have to continue on the interventionist path, that we remain outside the Euro, outside of centralised fiscal policy, foreign policy, army etc. its doubtful though, appearing weak having backed out of Exit, why would they agree to anything? so we just meekly accept the path ahead, complaining pointlessly at each stage, but everything will be easier that way? (and i do really mean that, i always assumed pragmatism from EU would see out stupid political posturing so a sensible, mutualy acceptable exit could be agreed, this clearly isnt case)

You were aware that Cameron had been given what you are asking for here? If we had voted remain instead of leave, it would be written into the treaties by now.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Reversing Brexit with a second referendum would have a 'positive' impact on economy, OECD claims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...second-referendum-would-have-positive-impact/

#experts
#projectfear
#brexitmeansbrexit

 

[5ways]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...second-referendum-would-have-positive-impact/

#experts
#projectfear
#brexitmeansbrexit

 

[5ways]

he's probably right. its becoming clear that its too late, we're already too entrenched into the EU system to extract ourselves gracefully. prehaps we should instead sue for peace and try to come to some agreement that we dont have to continue on the interventionist path, that we remain outside the Euro, outside of centralised fiscal policy, foreign policy, army etc. its doubtful though, appearing weak having backed out of Exit, why would they agree to anything? so we just meekly accept the path ahead, complaining pointlessly at each stage, but everything will be easier that way? (and i do really mean that, i always assumed pragmatism from EU would see out stupid political posturing so a sensible, mutualy acceptable exit could be agreed, this clearly isnt case)

You mean we should ask for exactly what we currently have? Sounds good to me.

 

[Baldseagull]

With the Met Police announcing that they will not investigate huge numbers of "lower level" crimes, the NHS in crisis, social care in crisis, all public sector employees under a wage rise cap and this at a time with apparently next to no unemployment, how can we afford to go through with Brexit?

 

[beorhthelm]

You were aware that Cameron had been given what you are asking for here? If we had voted remain instead of leave, it would be written into the treaties by now.

he didn't get anything like what he'd hoped for, and none of it would be formalised by now, with Merkel pointing out a new treaty wasn't being discussed and several national leaders outright opposed to implementing the adjustments. he came back with a promise for the issues to be considered, nothing more. if he'd got what he wanted, i doubt he'd have needed a referendum and would have won it with the sales pitch "Our concerns are listen to and met, we're leading in EU".

 

[beorhthelm]

You mean we should ask for exactly what we currently have? Sounds good to me.

yes, it would do for many. the point is that on offer, remaining in the EU means conceding on those point in the next decade or so (as they have on their road map). what we currently have is and never was an option, we leave or we integrate further according to the EU plans.

 

[5ways]

yes, it would do for many. the point is that on offer, remaining in the EU means conceding on those point in the next decade or so (as they have on their road map). what we currently have is and never was an option, we leave or we integrate further according to the EU plans.

We had hard opt-outs of 'ever closer union' on the table. We had no obligation to join the Euro ?

 

[Hamilton]

yes, it would do for many. the point is that on offer, remaining in the EU means conceding on those point in the next decade or so (as they have on their road map). what we currently have is and never was an option, we leave or we integrate further according to the EU plans.

EU plans have to be agreed by the members. As one of the most significant members, total EU integration would never have happened. It was a utopia for some, but would never have been a reality. And it never will be.

 

[vegster]

With the Met Police announcing that they will not investigate huge numbers of "lower level" crimes, the NHS in crisis, social care in crisis, all public sector employees under a wage rise cap and this at a time with apparently next to no unemployment, how can we afford to go through with Brexit?

We have to go through with this for our grandchildren , the small, mislead majority for Brexit must have their way.

It's the only way for future generations not to make the same mistake we have made.