[Politics] Brexit

[Hamilton]

Business/economy update from everyone's favourite bringer of truth ...



#fakenews

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41252976

He really is hilarious isn't he. Thank goodness for all those US tourists keeping our magnificent economy riding high!

He's got such an agenda. He wants to be the next Trump.

Of course, he's a total liar. You don't get this balanced news from the BBC? Sorry Nige. 11 days ago the BBC were sharing this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41121954

Oh dear? A balanced BBC. Why wouldn't Nigel share that with me? Because he is a LIAR and you can't trust one word that comes out of his mouth!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Yep. Record low unemployment. So if someone could explain how we are overrun with immigrants taking our jobs then that would be great.

So much emphasis put on the tiny minority of companies maybe/possibly relocating a few hundred staff yet a casual dismissing of record levels of employment, hundreds of thousands of new jobs .. brilliant. #talkbritaindown

 

[JC Footy Genius]

He really is hilarious isn't he. Thank goodness for all those US tourists keeping our magnificent economy riding high!

He's got such an agenda. He wants to be the next Trump.

Of course, he's a total liar. You don't get this balanced news from the BBC? Sorry Nige. 11 days ago the BBC were sharing this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41121954

Oh dear? A balanced BBC. Why wouldn't Nigel share that with me? Because he is a LIAR and you can't trust one word that comes out of his mouth!

Sir Nigel of Farage .. speaking TRUTH to power!

 

[Jim D]

Call it what you like it is where we are and I for one are fearful where this journey is taking us all

This journey is taking us all nowhere as we won't be cowed by the bullying tactics that Barmy is using. He needs to rethink his approach and maybe we will get somewhere.

 

[Hamilton]

Sir Nigel of Farage .. speaking TRUTH to power!

I have to say, that whilst I believe in the EU, I do not believe in the strategy of Mr Juncker. However, I think an EU with the UK on the inside would have had the ability to modify the EU as Germany and France will undoubtedly do. As much as Juncker things he is a Kingmaker (or even King), he is not. The true powers that sit behind the EU are still the heads of the largest states that make up the EU. For all it's manoeuvring, it's the European Council that gets to decide what will really happen and what will not - and Juncker answers to them.

Juncker is proving to be a disaster for the EU. He was a disaster during the Brexit referendum and he's a disaster now.

Of course, then man behind Juncker - the puppeteer - is Martin Selmayr http://www.politico.eu/article/mons...mayr-european-commission-jean-claude-juncker/

Selmayr is too dogmatic, and that is a problem when it comes to the development of the EU. Nigel is right. They do need to learn from Brexit. What is shameful for all of us is that we'll play no part in helping the EU become what it could have become, a rich union of European countries all working for and with one another.

 

[beorhthelm]

Juncker gave his state of the EU last night. apparently he reminded states that its the ECJ was the supreme jurisdiction in EU, not national courts (hint to naughty Poland). he highlighted that after Brexit the EU will have Schengen border free movement and eurozone membership as standard (news for Ireland and Denmark). he proposed there should be a EU Finance Minister and that the offices of Commission president and Council president should be merged to one, directly elected EU President. thats probably a very good idea for democratic accountability, and you need to have a single head of state for a state.

when you think about it all in context, the EU should enjoy a great shift forwrad in their agenda without us to complain, opt-out and hold them back.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

tick tock, tick tock, tick tock,
regards
DR

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I have to say, that whilst I believe in the EU, I do not believe in the strategy of Mr Juncker. However, I think an EU with the UK on the inside would have had the ability to modify the EU as Germany and France will undoubtedly do. As much as Juncker things he is a Kingmaker (or even King), he is not. The true powers that sit behind the EU are still the heads of the largest states that make up the EU. For all it's manoeuvring, it's the European Council that gets to decide what will really happen and what will not - and Juncker answers to them.

Juncker is proving to be a disaster for the EU. He was a disaster during the Brexit referendum and he's a disaster now.

Of course, then man behind Juncker - the puppeteer - is Martin Selmayr http://www.politico.eu/article/mons...mayr-european-commission-jean-claude-juncker/

Selmayr is too dogmatic, and that is a problem when it comes to the development of the EU. Nigel is right. They do need to learn from Brexit. What is shameful for all of us is that we'll play no part in helping the EU become what it could have become, a rich union of European countries all working for and with one another.

Agree with much of what you say but I was just less convinced that we would have any real chance of changing the EU's direction of travel. Cameron's pre referendum 'negotiation' being the ultimate example of their intransigence. If they wouldn't change direction or even consider significant new solutions/compromise on pain of their second biggest net contributor leaving then I can see no chance of helping steer the EU in a direction we would be happy with if we had stayed in. I am pretty sure the EU would have regarded a different referendum result as a bullet dodged and know there wouldn't be another one loaded for a very very long time if ever .. so why change. Best case scenario for us would have been a lead nation of a second tier minority membership group outside the Eurozone block with the general direction continuing to ever closer union. No thanks.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

the damage isn't yet done because we're still in the eu.

Common sense dictates that there should be a referendum on whether or not to accept the final deal on offer because - for the first time - we'll actually know what voting to leave will mean without having any of this "£350 million a week to the nhs" cake and eat it bollocks that duped enough of the electorate to swing the vote in the first place.

ha ha ,you would love to believe that, what a plonker loads of waffle from the grizzlers knowing that reality is going to smack them in the face , YOU GRIZZLERS HAVE A CHOICE TO MAKE EITHER FALL IN LINE OR find somewhere in the EU utopia TO LIVE OUT YOUR DREAMS
regards
DR

 

[ManOfSussex]

he highlighted that after Brexit the EU will have Schengen border free movement and eurozone membership as standard (news for Ireland and Denmark).

No he didn't.

He said: "All but two of our Member States are required and entitled to join the euro once they fulfil all conditions." That refers to Denmark and Sweden.

He made no reference to The Republic of Ireland and Schengen expansion - He specifically referred to Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia.

 

[Two Professors]

Apparently,the Brexit negotiations have been put off for a week so Barmier can be hauled off to Germany for some lessons on business-

 

[Pavilionaire]

ha ha ,you would love to believe that, what a plonker loads of waffle from the grizzlers knowing that reality is going to smack them in the face , YOU GRIZZLERS HAVE A CHOICE TO MAKE EITHER FALL IN LINE OR find somewhere in the EU utopia TO LIVE OUT YOUR DREAMS
regards
DR

You are a very rude person. Well done.

 

[melias shoes]

Did you think the EU would be anything other than awkward. This was always going to be the case. I am staggered that anyone is shocked they are playing hardball and heaven forbid people might realise we need them more than they need us.

No we don't.

 

[Berty23]

So much emphasis put on the tiny minority of companies maybe/possibly relocating a few hundred staff yet a casual dismissing of record levels of employment, hundreds of thousands of new jobs .. brilliant. #talkbritaindown

I didn't talk it down. It is great news. The issue will come when we leave! Re a few companies, do you have any concept of how supply chains work?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Ever Closer Union

His proposals included a new centralised EU president, a eurozone finance minister, a Brussels intelligence agency, European anti-terrorism prosecutor and an agency to enforce labour standards.

“Europe only moves forward when it is bold,” he said. “The single market, Schengen and the single currency were all written off as pipe dreams before they happened. And yet these three ambitious projects are now a reality.

“I hear those who say we should not rock the boat now that things have started to get better. But now is not the time to err on the side of caution. We must complete the job now that the sun is shining and whilst it still is. Because when the next clouds appear on the horizon — and they will — it will be too late.”

He proposed combining the commission and European council presidencies, currently held by Donald Tusk, in a proposal that would centralise authority and transform the EU’s Brussels institutions at the top.

Significantly, countries remaining outside the euro will face political pressure to join, with a new “euro-accession instrument” to supervise progress.

“If we want the euro to unite rather than divide our continent then it should be more than the currency of a select group of countries. The euro is meant to be the single currency of the EU as a whole,” he said. “We need a European minister of economy and finance.”

He called for a new “European intelligence unit that ensures data concerning terrorists and foreign fighters are automatically shared among intelligence services and with the police”. He added that there was “a strong case for tasking a new European public prosecutor with prosecuting cross-border terrorist crimes”.

Taking advantage of Britain’s withdrawal, Mr Juncker proposed for the EU to use “bridging clauses” in the Lisbon Treaty to increase voting, including in the sensitive areas of tax and foreign policy.

“I am strongly in favour of moving to qualified majority voting for decisions on the common consolidated corporate tax base, on VAT, on fair taxes for the digital industry and on the financial transaction tax,” he said.

“The EU should also have more influence on the world stage. It needs to be able to make its foreign policy decisions more quickly. The time has come to take foreign policy decisions in certain cases by qualified majority.”

In a move that will irritate eastern and central European countries, Mr Juncker called for the creation of “a new European inspection and enforcement body” to police complaints from France, the Netherlands and other countries in western Europe that free movement is undercutting wages and social standards.

He said that he supported equality between new eastern countries and older western European members and warned Hungary and Poland that they would be required — and forced if necessary — to honour migrant quotas.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...is-ambitions-for-post-brexit-europe-fccrxzx2j

Not sure who does more damage to the Remain pov Blair or Juncker. New referendum anyone?

At least Remainers would have a better idea what they were voting for.

 

[Berty23]

There's awkward, there's wanting to make an example of, there's wanting to punish, there's wanting to teach a lesson and there's making charges up as you go along. There's also a satisfactory, mutually negotiated, settlement. So far Barmy has only pushed the first 5, and has been fiercely critical of the UK for daring to question this approach and these figures. That's not playing hardball, that's being obstinate and muleish.

But this was always going to be the case. It is like private companies who make it hard to leave and paying off mortgages early. It is absolutely NOT in the eu interest for us to leave and succeed because then others might have same idea. The EU is massively flawed but surely better to try and change it from the inside rather than take a kicking from a much much much bigger global player.

 

[melias shoes]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....n-bill-gates-u-turn-migration-immigration/amp
See even Bill Gates has come round to Brexit.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I didn't talk it down. It is great news. The issue will come when we leave! Re a few companies, do you have any concept of how supply chains work?

Will it? That project fear crystal ball hasn't served you well up to this point. What's your latest deadline of doom? .. the day we leave, six months on.. 1 year on.

 

[Two Professors]

His proposals included a new centralised EU president, a eurozone finance minister, a Brussels intelligence agency, European anti-terrorism prosecutor and an agency to enforce labour standards.

“Europe only moves forward when it is bold,” he said. “The single market, Schengen and the single currency were all written off as pipe dreams before they happened. And yet these three ambitious projects are now a reality.

“I hear those who say we should not rock the boat now that things have started to get better. But now is not the time to err on the side of caution. We must complete the job now that the sun is shining and whilst it still is. Because when the next clouds appear on the horizon — and they will — it will be too late.”

He proposed combining the commission and European council presidencies, currently held by Donald Tusk, in a proposal that would centralise authority and transform the EU’s Brussels institutions at the top.

Significantly, countries remaining outside the euro will face political pressure to join, with a new “euro-accession instrument” to supervise progress.

“If we want the euro to unite rather than divide our continent then it should be more than the currency of a select group of countries. The euro is meant to be the single currency of the EU as a whole,” he said. “We need a European minister of economy and finance.”

He called for a new “European intelligence unit that ensures data concerning terrorists and foreign fighters are automatically shared among intelligence services and with the police”. He added that there was “a strong case for tasking a new European public prosecutor with prosecuting cross-border terrorist crimes”.

Taking advantage of Britain’s withdrawal, Mr Juncker proposed for the EU to use “bridging clauses” in the Lisbon Treaty to increase voting, including in the sensitive areas of tax and foreign policy.

“I am strongly in favour of moving to qualified majority voting for decisions on the common consolidated corporate tax base, on VAT, on fair taxes for the digital industry and on the financial transaction tax,” he said.

“The EU should also have more influence on the world stage. It needs to be able to make its foreign policy decisions more quickly. The time has come to take foreign policy decisions in certain cases by qualified majority.”

In a move that will irritate eastern and central European countries, Mr Juncker called for the creation of “a new European inspection and enforcement body” to police complaints from France, the Netherlands and other countries in western Europe that free movement is undercutting wages and social standards.

He said that he supported equality between new eastern countries and older western European members and warned Hungary and Poland that they would be required — and forced if necessary — to honour migrant quotas.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...is-ambitions-for-post-brexit-europe-fccrxzx2j

Not sure who does more damage to the Remain pov Blair or Juncker. New referendum anyone?

At least Remainers would have a better idea what they were voting for.

A Brussels intelligence agency? Need a big telescope to find any there!!!!!

 

[WATFORD zero]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....n-bill-gates-u-turn-migration-immigration/amp
See even Bill Gates has come round to Brexit.

The headline from the Express 'Brexit U-turn: Billionaire Bill Gates now thinks that the UK can THRIVE outside the EU'

The two lines from Bill Gates that caused this headline

Bill Gates, 61, has said that Britain can remain a world-leading science and technology hub if it maintains investment in research and development.

He told The Daily Telegraph that he thinks Britain’s scientific research could continue.

The lines from Gates that obviously had no effect on the headline

The Microsoft founder said before the referendum that a vote to leave the European Union would make Britain “significantly less attractive place to do business and invest” and could jeopardise Britain’s science community.

He said in a letter to The Times that Britain would be “stronger, more prosperous and more influential” inside the EU.

Mr Gates said his philanthropic foundation, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, invested in the UK because of Britain’s access to the Single Market.

He said: “While ultimately a matter for the British people to decide, it is clear to me that if Britain chooses to be outside of Europe, it will be a significantly less attractive place to do business and to invest.

“It will be harder to find and recruit the best talent from across the Continent; talent which, in turn, creates jobs for people in the UK.

Maybe you should read more than the headline before posting links