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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Why's The US carrier got actual planes on but our one hasn't? Are ours camouflaged or just airborne or are The US taking a crazy security risk by having actual planes on an aircraft carrier?

Royal Navy are quite good at losing things,like ipods,assault boats,etc,so maybe they have let some Iranians confiscate the planes.Alternatively,they could still be at the training airfields in the USA,with their Fleet Air Arm pilots.:smile:
 


JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
When you say it has failed us that's quite an assertion not borne out be the facts. Since being in the single market our GDP has grown by 69% pretty close to the USA on 71% and a lot better than Germany or Japan. Secondly more British nationals are in employment then ever before. So hardly a fail.

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Oooops we have a friendly fire incident. Blue on Blue, are you American?
 




ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,153
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
I don't know any leave voter who thought staying in the Customs Union, Single - internal market, keeping ECJ primacy, freedom of movement for up to four years after 2019 .. possibly longer is in any way leaving the EU.

Bit of a dangerous gamble for JC, looks like he's giving in to pressure from Blairites :ohmy:

I know plenty of leave voters who don't give a sh*t anymore - we're leaving The EU - it's done. Their pre-referendum concerns are still there but concerns over ECJ jurisdiction in regards to Euratom? It's done. Brexit's happening and the problems within this country aren't going to be solved by it or arguing over whether a transitional deal lasts x years or y years.

Not really a risk by Corbyn in my opinion. The Tories are totally boxed in, Labour aren't. The Tories proceed as they are. What's the worry? If The Tories do end up in it to their necks and drowning, there is a way out - just a humiliating climb-down if so. The Tories have taken that path - and there are plenty within The Conservative Party who are not happy with that route and stance - but that course is set. Labour have set their stance, but nothing more - they're in opposition. It's a long way from May's position though and her majority looks more fragile this evening. Ultimately let The Tories get on with it though, Brexit's their bag - as I said to you before - never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake - as a fat Corsican once said.
 
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ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,153
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Royal Navy are quite good at losing things,like ipods,assault boats,etc,so maybe they have let some Iranians confiscate the planes.Alternatively,they could still be at the training airfields in the USA,with their Fleet Air Arm pilots.:smile:

Okay. So long as The Revolutionary Guard haven't gone on a confiscate ipod purge again. I suppose an open deck like that, free of planes, leaves more space for blonde mothers to smoke a fag too.
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Okay. So long as The Revolutionary Guard haven't gone on a confiscate ipod purge again. I suppose an open deck like that, free of planes, leaves more space for blonde mothers to smoke a fag too.

You know it makes sense.No planes,no high octane fuels/oils to worry about.Smoking light is lit.
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,153
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
When you say it has failed us that's quite an assertion not borne out be the facts. Since being in the single market our GDP has grown by 69% pretty close to the USA on 71% and a lot better than Germany or Japan. Secondly more British nationals are in employment then ever before. So hardly a fail.

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I know. I agree. I was being sarcastic.
 




ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,153
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
You know it makes sense.No planes,no high octane fuels/oils to worry about.Smoking light is lit.

I appreciate you served and I'm a mere civilian, but while we're on the subject, I must say that HMS Cornwall business felt to me a bit like going 1-0 down to San Marino.
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
I appreciate you served and I'm a mere civilian, but while we're on the subject, I must say that HMS Cornwall business felt to me a bit like going 1-0 down to San Marino.

More like 1-0 down to Tristan da Cuhna,not their finest hour.Felt sorry for the kids.They had probably been sent out with blank ammunition,so there was no chance of upsetting somebody.Wouldn't have happened in Nelson's day.
 


JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
I know plenty of leave voters who don't give a sh*t anymore - we're leaving The EU - it's done. Their pre-referendum concerns are still there but concerns over ECJ jurisdiction in regards to Euratom? It's done. Brexit's happening and the problems within this country aren't going to be solved by it or arguing over whether a transitional deal lasts x years or y years.

Not really a risk by Corbyn in my opinion. The Tories are totally boxed in, Labour aren't. The Tories proceed as they are. What's the worry? If The Tories do end up in it to their necks and drowning, there is a way out - just a humiliating climb-down if so. The Tories have taken that path - and there are plenty within The Conservative Party who are not happy with that route and stance - but that course is set. Labour have set their stance, but nothing more - they're in opposition. It's a long way from May's position though and her majority looks more fragile this evening. Ultimately let The Tories get on with it though, Brexit's their bag - as I said to you before - never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake - as a fat Corsican once said.

You may well do but this https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/...ted-on-backing?utm_term=.rbd2BY6PA#.ewnKaxyl3 poll showed a vast majority of Leavers and a substatntial proportion of Remainers are more in tune with people I know and would not be happy with Corbyn's cynical party before country u turn position.

If the enemy are busy making mistakes doomed to defeat why bother to change the Labour make it up as you go along/cake and eat it stratergy?
 




ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,153
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
You may well do but this https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/...ted-on-backing?utm_term=.rbd2BY6PA#.ewnKaxyl3 poll showed a vast majority of Leavers and a substatntial proportion of Remainers are more in tune with people I know and would not be happy with Corbyn's cynical party before country u turn position.

If the enemy are busy making mistakes doomed to defeat why bother to change the Labour make it up as you go along/cake and eat it stratergy?

As I said yesterday, I'm sure you could produce a poll or an article to back a point and you did. I'll go with Brexit voters I know and know of - they're not bothered about Brexit anymore - it's done. That's my general take on it too, there'll be some murmurings, and hysterical headlines and some polls and some experts saying this and that, but it'll blow over. I could well be wrong though. At the end of the day, if this move does damage Labour - fine. It damages The Tories too though - they love a good in-fight over Europe - it's what they do best.

I wouldn't call it a cynical party before country u-turn by Labour though, but I do know you take a keen interest in The Labour Party as well - they're in opposition ultimately and have put forward an alternative, honest and realistic position and aim on what a transitional deal will entail, that we will need and what it will actually mean. As for having cake and eating it - The Tories are the one who've said FOM ends in 2019, there will be a transitional deal and that deal will end in 2022 - transitional deal with no FOM presumably which all ends conveniently in 2022 neatly before the next scheduled UK general election and presumably ECJ jurisdiction ends too - All sounds great, I'm sure The EU will happily and easily agree to all that too and I'm sure it will all happen and everyone loves The Tories, so what's the problem?

If not, and it goes belly up and an early election happens - Labour have merely suggested an alternative and more pragmatic, honest way to Paul Dacre's.

As I said yesterday, I suspect down the the road as this all unfolds and plays out there are many Conservative MP's, as well as those of other parties, who'll prefer this stance to The Tories current one. Obviously not The DUP though, because they're bought and paid for till 2019, Jeremy Corbyn was in The IRA and Diane Abbott.....well Diane Abbott. Diane Abbott. Diane Abbott. Diane Abbott. Diane Abbott.........................................:facepalm:

Nothing to worry about though is there? Everyone loves The Tories and Brexit will probably be fine because David Davis said so.

Hmmmm......Anna Soubry though (and I'm not talking after 6 pints either)....How many like-minded friends and colleagues in The Conservative Party, Scottish or otherwise, has she got do you reckon?
 


Titanic

Super Moderator
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
39,889
West Sussex
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Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
62,583
The Fatherland

He realised he was wrong and in an open and honest manner now seeks to do what he feels is now best. Change your mind, prove you have one. Contrast this with the Tory party who judged the mood of the nation incorrectly but in a selfish and vain manner Theresa May plods on when she should have done the decent and honest thing and stood down.
 




Jim D

Well-known member
Jul 23, 2003
5,267
Worthing
Any prediction of what may happen in the future is speculative, but I would rate it as likely as Real Madrid finishing in the top half of La Liga, that leaving with no deal will bring massive problems. It would surprise me if you thought otherwise, and I don't believe you have a remain bias. As a leaver you would point out that it is very unlikely to be a no deal situation, rather than highlight the what if issues.
Theresa May unfortunately gave the scenario some weight, at least in peoples minds, by saying no deal is better than a bad deal. This was inevitably going to produce articles on how bad a no deal could be, and those keenest to produce them would inevitably be pro remain.

He realised he was wrong and in an open and honest manner now seeks to do what he feels is now best. Change your mind, prove you have one. Contrast this with the Tory party who judged the mood of the nation incorrectly but in a selfish and vain manner Theresa May plods on when she should have done the decent and honest thing and stood down.

Starmer hasn't changed his mind, he never had any intention of supporting the leavers. Everything he has said or written supports that. Strangely enough though, Labour's clarification of their position now makes it more likely that May could resign around the time of the Tory conference. This would allow a new leader to perhaps call an election in 2018/19 and fight Corbyn's complete lack of leadership.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
62,583
The Fatherland
This would allow a new leader to perhaps call an election in 2018/19 and fight Corbyn's complete lack of leadership.

Hmmmmmm. I seem to recall hearing this idea at the last election as well.
 




Jim D

Well-known member
Jul 23, 2003
5,267
Worthing
Hmmmmmm. I seem to recall hearing this idea at the last election as well.

We did, but this time he's running with a plan that we all know he doesn't support. He's let Starmer get away with his own views and cast away his own anti-EU beliefs. This will cost Labour in the long run.
 




5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
We did, but this time he's running with a plan that we all know he doesn't support. He's let Starmer get away with his own views and cast away his own anti-EU beliefs. This will cost Labour in the long run.

Why will it?
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
62,583
The Fatherland
We did, but this time he's running with a plan that we all know he doesn't support. He's let Starmer get away with his own views and cast away his own anti-EU beliefs. This will cost Labour in the long run.

That's one take. Another is that he now realises what a disaster driving the UK's economy off a cliff-edge will be. I fully expect more people to get on board as the May drives the nation closer to the edge. You'll thank the true patriots like me :wink:
 


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