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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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cunning fergus

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jan 18, 2009
4,887
It was just a cheap shot at deriding the EU, whilst having a snub at business here.

The fact is if this isn't a business first Brexit we're pretty much all screwed, in the end I think it will be.

Far better to short change a few hardliners than send the whole country into chaos


Not a cheap shot, but I am on the side of trade unions against exploitation by Governments in the pocket of global ruthless capitalist businesses. Your response to EU exploitation of the poor shows whose side I am on and whose side you are on you shithouse Tory shill.

https://euobserver.com/foreign/26080

Mouhamet Lamine Ndiaye, a campaigner with Oxfam said:

"Our analysis shows that these deals (with the EU) have strayed far from the development template they were supposed to follow. The cost will be enormous: annual losses from tariff cuts of €230 million for Africa alone, and a further €9bn for compliance for all the countries involved.

"Not to mention the loss of independent trade policy, badly needed to promote development and protect livelihoods," he added.
 




Berty23

Well-known member
Jun 26, 2012
3,649
Front page of today's daily mail is ace. Complaining about long queues at borders - you won so suck it up petal. We have not left yet either. Just wait for the fun at Dover and Calais when all goods need to go through customs when we take the no deal option. Keep those heads buried in the sand folks.
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,580
Gods country fortnightly


5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
They will be agreed and overseen by our democratically elected government, and under the scrutiny of the British parliament.

If you think we have the same transparency and accountability with how the EU conducts its trade deals you are delusional.

I don't think that, but Uganda is a sovereign country too for all the good it does them dealing with the EU.
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,580
Gods country fortnightly
Front page of today's daily mail is ace. Complaining about long queues at borders - you won so suck it up petal. We have not left yet either. Just wait for the fun at Dover and Calais when all goods need to go through customs when we take the no deal option. Keep those heads buried in the sand folks.

Same with the Express, 2 weeks ago they were bragging how Brits we snubbing Europe for places further afield. Yep, a little introduction to a post Brexit world. Still who wants to go abroad anyway
 




Titanic

Super Moderator
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
39,923
West Sussex
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ife-leading-forecaster-jagjit-chadh?CMP=fb_gu

Britain’s economy will surge back to life in the next six months following its slow start this year, a leading forecaster has predicted, prompting the Bank of England to raise interest rates next spring – more than a year earlier than its previous projection.

The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said a boom in exports after the fall in the pound and a return to bumper wage rises next year would be enough to increase GDP growth to almost 2% and convince the central bank to increase the cost of borrowing.

#fakenews
 


BigGully

Well-known member
Sep 8, 2006
7,139
Like Dominic Cummings?

Who seems to think it could be an error to leave?

Wonderful example where you just dont listen, you take snippets, whether its from a 'no mark' blog or an individual economic indicator and roll it out as some confirmation that Remain has somehow got it right, when in actual fact up to now you have been wrong in nearly every forecast you have offered.

So here is Dominic Cummings quote:

Ex-campaign director Dominic Cummings said "lots" of things could happen to make him wish his side had lost.
But he also stressed there were more possible outcomes in which leaving would be good for the EU and the UK.


It is misrepresentation for you to think it is some qualification of Remain or that Brexit is bound to deliver a bad outcome, in fact it is the total opposite.
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,952
Surrey
Not a cheap shot, but I am on the side of trade unions against exploitation by Governments in the pocket of global ruthless capitalist businesses. Your response to EU exploitation of the poor shows whose side I am on and whose side you are on you shithouse Tory shill.

https://euobserver.com/foreign/26080

Mouhamet Lamine Ndiaye, a campaigner with Oxfam said:

"Our analysis shows that these deals (with the EU) have strayed far from the development template they were supposed to follow. The cost will be enormous: annual losses from tariff cuts of €230 million for Africa alone, and a further €9bn for compliance for all the countries involved.

"Not to mention the loss of independent trade policy, badly needed to promote development and protect livelihoods," he added.

Your insistence that anyone who is pro-EU is a Tory-sympathiser is getting fking boring now, not least because it is total bollocks. It is not the EU at fault for failing to protect British workers, it is the fact that the electorate is constantly hoodwinked into electing useless Tory governments. Look at 2017 - their whole campaign revolved around "if you don't vote for us, you'll get that nasty Jeremy Corbyn". Their manifesto was the biggest load of nonsensical meaningless fluff I've ever seen published by a political party.

And in case you hadn't noticed, this country hasn't voted in a socialist government since the '70s - you're no friend of the trade unions if you think the solution is to pull up the drawbridge and let the British establishment carry on their merry way. It'll just be more of the same, only worse because the EU won't be there to protect us AT ALL.

Indeed, I wonder where we'd even be if it wasn't for the fact that Blair implemented the EU social charter - some 10 years later than everyone else, owing to the fact that the Tories couldn't bear to implement a laughably small minimum wage of about £4.50 an hour. :rolleyes:
 
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nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,580
Gods country fortnightly
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ife-leading-forecaster-jagjit-chadh?CMP=fb_gu

Britain’s economy will surge back to life in the next six months following its slow start this year, a leading forecaster has predicted, prompting the Bank of England to raise interest rates next spring – more than a year earlier than its previous projection.

The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said a boom in exports after the fall in the pound and a return to bumper wage rises next year would be enough to increase GDP growth to almost 2% and convince the central bank to increase the cost of borrowing.

#fakenews

Well hopefully its not fakenews as you have implied. If this is going to happen we business needs a lot more clarity than we have right now.

I notice we are close to 1 year high on USD which seems positive, however think its more US weakness and they are in more chaos than us
 




Titanic

Super Moderator
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
39,923
West Sussex
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ing-growing-faster-pace-france-spain-ireland/

British manufacturing activity strengthened in July - growing faster than France, Spain and Ireland - amid the second strongest rise in foreign demand in at least two decades, according to a respected survey.

New orders from the US, Canada, Asia and Europe helped to drive up production and employment, prompting factory bosses to continue a hiring spree.

#fakenews
 




ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,173
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...nk-backs-city-25-year-commitment-london-base/

Deutsche Bank has signed a 25-year commitment for a new London headquarters, in a move that will inject confidence into the capital’s financial markets as the negotiations around Brexit continue.

#fakenews

Deutsche Bank Expects to Move 4,000 Jobs to EU After Brexit

Bank ‘base case’ said to foresee transfer of 4,000 positions
Lender just signed agreement to lease new London headquarters

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-base-case-said-to-see-4-000-jobs-move-to-eu

#realnews
 


ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,173
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ing-growing-faster-pace-france-spain-ireland/

British manufacturing activity strengthened in July - growing faster than France, Spain and Ireland - amid the second strongest rise in foreign demand in at least two decades, according to a respected survey.

New orders from the US, Canada, Asia and Europe helped to drive up production and employment, prompting factory bosses to continue a hiring spree.

#fakenews

For some reason you missed this one of The Telegraph website too - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ps-businesses-refuse-commit-big-new-projects/

Construction slumps as businesses refuse to commit to big new projects

I'll put this one as #wouldhavehappenedanyway
 


5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
How is the weakest growth since 2012, a ballooning current-account deficit and falling real wages thanks to higher inflation indicate a 'surge back to life' ???
 




studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
30,237
On the Border
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ing-growing-faster-pace-france-spain-ireland/

British manufacturing activity strengthened in July - growing faster than France, Spain and Ireland - amid the second strongest rise in foreign demand in at least two decades, according to a respected survey.

New orders from the US, Canada, Asia and Europe helped to drive up production and employment, prompting factory bosses to continue a hiring spree.

#fakenews

It also means British manufacturing grew at a faster pace than France, Ireland and Spain.

However, eurozone growth figures on Tuesday showed the 19-nation bloc expanded at 0.6pc in the second quarter - twice the pace of the UK.
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,580
Gods country fortnightly
It also means British manufacturing grew at a faster pace than France, Ireland and Spain.

However, eurozone growth figures on Tuesday showed the 19-nation bloc expanded at 0.6pc in the second quarter - twice the pace of the UK.

If our manufacturing wasn't doing well now with the favourable ex/rate I'd be really worried. Problem is its only 20% of our economy, we ain't Germany.
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Front page of today's daily mail is ace. Complaining about long queues at borders - you won so suck it up petal. We have not left yet either. Just wait for the fun at Dover and Calais when all goods need to go through customs when we take the no deal option. Keep those heads buried in the sand folks.

Have travelled through La Rochelle airport to Brum today with no problems whatsoever.No problems with Nantes to Southampton either.Lots of pre-recorded messages about long delays because of new EU regulations,but it's a load of cobblers.If the Schengen signatories want outsiders to stop using their major airports,so what?Just confirms my opinions on the EU-bunch of stupid racists who will go the way of the dinosaur!:lolol:
 






JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Front page of today's daily mail is ace. Complaining about long queues at borders - you won so suck it up petal. We have not left yet either. Just wait for the fun at Dover and Calais when all goods need to go through customs when we take the no deal option. Keep those heads buried in the sand folks.

You've got to admire the EU coming up with the cunning plan of imposing new checks on non-Schengen area country citizens because of all the terrorist related security concerns when the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks are either carried out by EU citizens in the Schengen area or people already living there. At least the implementation was smooth and well planned though .. as you would expect from your preferred overlords.
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
You've got to admire the EU coming up with the cunning plan of imposing new checks on non-Schengen area country citizens because of all the terrorist related security concerns when the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks are either carried out by EU citizens in the Schengen area or people already living there. At least the implementation was smooth and well planned though .. as you would expect from your preferred overlords.

Indeed,though quite what the black and asian visitors,waiting for attention in their non-Schengen queue thought of it,remains to be seen!
 


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