[Politics] Brexit

[BigGully]

It is only anti-Brexit because it is pro-business.

We do not all think we need to capitulate to EU demands, especially when there seems no foundation of how a proposed figure might come from, your position is clear, but I suspect that as negoriations go forward there will be a firming up of feeling that the EU's demands are unreasonable, if they are indeed unreasonable.

You will no doubt cite that it is the UK that is unreasonable for voting to Leave, this is where we are different and on different sides of the fence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nS-lGShvF8

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Well you certainly didnt, did you ?

No, I definitely didn't.

Nor did you, you're just a bit slow to understand that.

 

[El Presidente]

YouGov poll results today.

Over 60% of Brexit supporters think that economic damage to the UK is a price worth having, so fair enough.

 

[nicko31]

We do not all think we need to capitulate to EU demands, especially when there seems no foundation of how a proposed figure might come from, your position is clear, but I suspect that as negoriations go forward there will be a firming up of feeling that the EU's demands are unreasonable, if they are indeed unreasonable.

You will no doubt cite that it is the UK that is unreasonable for voting to Leave, this is where we are different and on different sides of the fence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nS-lGShvF8

We will have to pay one way or another to get tariff free access to the single market, the government just need to find a way for the public to find it palatable. It we don't pay we will pay with job losses.

Essentially we are arguing over the 1p in the pound we pay to the EU, unfortunately the other 99p will barely get discussed in this zombie parliament

 

[cunning fergus]

It is only anti-Brexit because it is pro-business.

Good old business, lovely old business, nothing wrong with business because if there is one thing we love it's business.

https://capx.co/how-the-eu-starves-africa-into-submission/

God bless business, God bless the EU.........

 

[cunning fergus]

YouGov poll results today.

Over 60% of Brexit supporters think that economic damage to the UK is a price worth having, so fair enough.

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I don't understand this argument, if there was one thing the electorate was very clearly told during the referendum debate it was that a vote to leave the EU would mean a negative financial cost. Every household was sent a booklet making this clear, all the leaders of the main political parties were in the remain camp and their messaging was aligned that this would be the case.

For the people (from the remain side) to now roll out the argument that the electorate did not vote leave to be poorer is absurd, in the context of the referendum debate that is exactly what they did.

Of course, running this argument is a way of distracting from the fact that the electorate just didn't believe them or their arguments.

In 44 years time we will know who was correct.

 

[5ways]

Good old business, lovely old business, nothing wrong with business because if there is one thing we love it's business.

https://capx.co/how-the-eu-starves-africa-into-submission/

God bless business, God bless the EU.........

Yes and our Brexit trade deals with the EU, US and China will not be fair either.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Good old business, lovely old business, nothing wrong with business because if there is one thing we love it's business.

https://capx.co/how-the-eu-starves-africa-into-submission/

God bless business, God bless the EU.........

There isn't much coffee roasted in Africa period. And it's because roasted coffee, unlike raw, has much less shelf life. Africa also doesn't have the infrastructure and distribution networks to get it out quickly which is necessary with a processed product. It's too economically risky for them. Ask yourself why they're not selling it in large amounts to the numerous countries who don't have tariffs. In short, and being polite, that article is disingenuous.

 

[studio150]

I don't understand this argument, if there was one thing the electorate was very clearly told during the referendum debate it was that a vote to leave the EU would mean a negative financial cost. Every household was sent a booklet making this clear, all the leaders of the main political parties were in the remain camp and their messaging was aligned that this would be the case.

For the people (from the remain side) to now roll out the argument that the electorate did not vote leave to be poorer is absurd, in the context of the referendum debate that is exactly what they did.

Of course, running this argument is a way of distracting from the fact that the electorate just didn't believe them or their arguments.

In 44 years time we will know who was correct.

So its going to take 44 years to get back in to the current financial wealth we enjoy now. Brilliant but I suppose if 61% of leave voters are happy with that significant damage to the UK economy for that period of time,sobeit.

Don't however ask me to to rejoice and be happy about this.

 

[cunning fergus]

There isn't much coffee roasted in Africa period. And it's because roasted coffee, unlike raw, has much less shelf life. Africa also doesn't have the infrastructure and distribution networks to get it out quickly which is necessary with a processed product. It's too economically risky for them. Ask yourself why they're not selling it in large amounts to the numerous countries who don't have tariffs. In short, and being polite, that article is disingenuous.

Sure, you know best......

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/28/the-european-union-is-an-ongoing-disaster-for-africa

http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/how-the-eu-starves-africa/

https://panampost.com/editor/2017/07/31/how-the-european-union-keeps-poor-countries-poor/

http://www.cityam.com/269211/trade-immoral-customs-union-fruitful-deals-benefit

The irony is the CAP is a disaster for EU consumers and developing economies.........it's good for big land owning Tories and capitalists. You are always very clear on who you support I will give you that.

 

[studio150]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/01/farmers-brexit-wolf-sheep-voted-leave-eu-subsidy-tory-enemies

Reality hitting farmers

 

[cunning fergus]

So its going to take 44 years to get back in to the current financial wealth we enjoy now. Brilliant but I suppose if 61% of leave voters are happy with that significant damage to the UK economy for that period of time,sobeit.

Don't however ask me to to rejoice and be happy about this.

All this current financial wealth we enjoy now..........interesting...........no doubt you believe it, and spoken like a true Tory.

You need to get out of your country estate a bit more............it was the poorest constituencies that consistently voted out the EU.

I know what's coming though, some more you know best bollocks.

 

[cunning fergus]

Yes and our Brexit trade deals with the EU, US and China will not be fair either.

They will be agreed and overseen by our democratically elected government, and under the scrutiny of the British parliament.

If you think we have the same transparency and accountability with how the EU conducts its trade deals you are delusional.

 

[cunning fergus]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/01/farmers-brexit-wolf-sheep-voted-leave-eu-subsidy-tory-enemies

Reality hitting farmers

They have had it too good for too long, now it's time to pay the piper.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...e-addicted-to-subsidy-says-government-adviser

Decades of free money and an endless supply of foreign labour to work their fields..........they will have to adapt to Brexit, otherwise I will look forward to the prospect of these multi millionaire landowners pulling up to the food bank in their Range Rovers.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Sure, you know best......

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/28/the-european-union-is-an-ongoing-disaster-for-africa

http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/how-the-eu-starves-africa/

https://panampost.com/editor/2017/07/31/how-the-european-union-keeps-poor-countries-poor/

http://www.cityam.com/269211/trade-immoral-customs-union-fruitful-deals-benefit

The irony is the CAP is a disaster for EU consumers and developing economies.........it's good for big land owning Tories and capitalists. You are always very clear on who you support I will give you that.

Why aren't they selling processed beans to the vast majority of the world which isn't EU then? After all you Brexiteers have repeatedly told us there's a huge glittering world out there. Ask yourself this instead of posting the same recycled argument in 4 different links.

 

[cunning fergus]

There isn't much coffee roasted in Africa period. And it's because roasted coffee, unlike raw, has much less shelf life. Africa also doesn't have the infrastructure and distribution networks to get it out quickly which is necessary with a processed product. It's too economically risky for them. Ask yourself why they're not selling it in large amounts to the numerous countries who don't have tariffs. In short, and being polite, that article is disingenuous.

Risible, the EU tariffs on importing processed African products whilst having no tariffs on raw materials deliberately keeps African countries poor, and it's not just coffee.

You are unceasing in your support for the EU and you are never going to accept even independent articles/reports that criticise how the EU's protectionist approach degrades developing countries ability to help themselves and all paid for by the EU taxpayer.

http://www.greenpeace.org/eu-unit/G...10/10/stolen-fish-how-africa-feeds-europe.pdf

http://www.greenpeace.org/eu-unit/e...---the-impact-of-EU-fisheries-outside-Europe/

http://www.newvision.co.ug/new_visi...erendum-afro-british-vote-trade-mother-africa

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/EPA Article.pdf

A very Tory attitude.

 

[cunning fergus]

Why aren't they selling processed beans to the vast majority of the world which isn't EU then? After all you Brexiteers have repeatedly told us there's a huge glittering world out there. Ask yourself this instead of posting the same recycled argument in 4 different links.

Different arguments from different people about the EU's voracious capitalist objectives, which in the case of Africa are far from progressive.

But that's the deal, it's good for business, and we know how important business is.

 

[nicko31]

There isn't much coffee roasted in Africa period. And it's because roasted coffee, unlike raw, has much less shelf life. Africa also doesn't have the infrastructure and distribution networks to get it out quickly which is necessary with a processed product. It's too economically risky for them. Ask yourself why they're not selling it in large amounts to the numerous countries who don't have tariffs. In short, and being polite, that article is disingenuous.

It was just a cheap shot at deriding the EU, whilst having a snub at business here.

The fact is if this isn't a business first Brexit we're pretty much all screwed, in the end I think it will be.

Far better to short change a few hardliners than send the whole country into chaos

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

then you might want to start listening to those of us that won the referendum,

Like Dominic Cummings?

Who seems to think it could be an error to leave?

 

[The Clamp]

Well it depends where you look.

I wasnt talking about the FT, however it is an anti Brexit paper, perhaps that's a legitimate position from a paper that does/should have some credibility, although I tend to feel that those organisations and individuals that were so pro Remain before and during the referendum and felt they had some national sway on things and a smugness to go with it are now licking their wounds and in someway hope that their view will still be played out, personally they were wrong then and I believe they will be proved wrong again.

The thing is the only argument from the Leave support is "I believe it will be different. I believe "they" were wrong" with a few unfounded expressions of hope that we get a trade deal with another territory. None of it seems to be backed up with any coherent reasoning.