[Politics] Brexit

[The Clamp]

I do not want to take advice from someone I have no respect for. His morals count him out in my eyes. You take his opinion if you want.

But you trust bankers. Priceless.

Do I trust Blair's opinion on May? Not implicitly. Do I think it's worth listening to? A thousand times, YES.

 

[cunning fergus]

Yes, but it's not a free market, there is tons of regulation and taxation etc. hence why Tory types want out.

What tons of regulations and tax prevented these Herberts' from entering the UK?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rderers-rapists-and-paedophiles-10084191.html

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

A lot of your post is your opinion about what MAY happen. I feel different, but we will never know (nor can we ever know the actual impact of the referendum). As there are so many factors which impact an economy, both internal and external, it's ludicrous for any one side to say with CERTAINTY that such an outcome was caused by an event.

As for your point regarding the the EU workers here, the UK government WANTED to agree with the EU the rights of these workers here and the rights for UK workers within the EU. The EU refused, not the UK,l so if you want to blame someone, blame the right people.

And about tolerance, there has always been racial tensions everywhere in the world. I think what has happened is that there has been a visible reaction from some of the knuckle-draggers in society towards immigrants. But, when you have the level if immigration into a country as we have seen over the last 10 years or so, there are bound to be issues. However, the constant sniping from the Remainers the those who voted Brexit was racist if frankly, f*cking insulting.

The pound has slumped against the Euro and the dollar; we are borrowing another £ 60 billion and personal debt is at record levels. Those are all things which are facts, not things which MAY happen. Everyone accepts that inflation will rise in 2017 too.

The Prime Minister could have, still could, tell the 3 million from the EU they can stay. It is perfectly within her gift but she has chosen not to. She’s playing politics with people's lives. I blame her.

And for the record I have never called anyone a racist for wanting to leave the EU. I have always accepted there are legitimate arguments for wanting to leave, i.e. sovereignty. But if you run a campaign based on slagging off immigration, you help create an environment whereby racism and intolerance can grow.

 

[pb21]

What tons of regulations and tax prevented these Herberts' from entering the UK?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rderers-rapists-and-paedophiles-10084191.html

I guess it wasn't one of the regulations on this list?

The top five costliest EU-derived regulations in force in the UK:

1) The UK Renewable Energy Strategy – Recurring cost: £4.7bn a year
2) The CRD IV package – Recurring cost: £4.6bn a year
3) The Working Time Directive – Recurring cost: £4.2bn a year
4) The EU Climate and Energy Package – Recurring cost: £3.4bn a year
5) The Temporary Agency Workers Directive – Recurring cost: £2.1bn a year

http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/britain-and-the-eu/top-100-eu-rules-cost-britain-33-3bn/

The removal of that regulation above (and much more besides) must be like a wet dream come true for unashamed free market Tories?

 

[Biscuit]

So you are in favour of respecting an opinion from a war criminal who completely ruined this country and sold it down the river. Priceless.

*sigh*

Hand on heart, it would be nice to be able to discuss Tony Blair frankly and even-handedly without every response resorting to an angry 'Yeah but WMD! War criminal'. He might well be a war criminal, but it'd be interesting to discuss other areas of his politics and good/bad points. It's just so tiresome with some people. Perhaps they know nothing else of his time in office or his movements since?

None of what you said makes Blair incorrect on his assessment of May, still waiting to hear you put a positive case forward for her?

 

[Biscuit]

How does it make Blair incorrect? I'm not saying he is right but you discredit such figures at your peril. Many have sway. Blair held the highest seat in the land for three consecutive terms, he transformed the landscape of the UK, he sent our country to war. Agree or not, to deny his experience and influence is plain ignorance.

Good post. Thank you for saving me the typing time.

 

[Soulman]

But you trust bankers. Priceless.

Do I trust Blair's opinion on May? Not implicitly. Do I think it's worth listening to? A thousand times, YES.

Trust bankers, where where have I stated that

 

[Two Professors]

So Blair held the highest seat in the land and must be competent.May holds the highest seat in the land and isn't competent.Economists all have degrees,are incredibly clever,and must be believed (unless they support leave).Michael Fish predicted the hurricane,and all the intelligent people knew it.The EU is perfect and doesn't need changing at all,and all immigrants must be given British citizenship immediately.Petrol going up in price is all Brexit's fault,and nothing to do with OPEC reducing output.The £ will be worth less than the euro soon,and the shops willonly have sawdust for sale.Welcome to Remainworld

 

[Lincoln Imp]

All the while the consequences of Brexit are defined within the paradigm of capitalism, it is impossible not to link that to political ideology and party politics.

I am a more natural socialist, which is why the EU's demand for a free unfettered labour market across the EU is a significant problem. Those who support free markets of any kind are unashamed free market Tories.........there is no getting away from that fact.

Some people need to know what they are.

A question, and it's a genuine one, why does a free market across more than one country offend your socialist principles more than a free market within one political boundary? (I thought that it might be because it is bigger but that can't be the reason because then you would regard large countries as being less socialist than small ones, all things being equal, to coin a phrase.) Leading on from the first question, do you similarly object to the free market within the UK and would like to see it ended?

As I say, I ask the questions without rancour. A reply along similar lines would be appreciated.

 

[The Clamp]

So Blair held the highest seat in the land and must be competent.May holds the highest seat in the land and isn't competent.Economists all have degrees,are incredibly clever,and must be believed (unless they support leave).Michael Fish predicted the hurricane,and all the intelligent people knew it.The EU is perfect and doesn't need changing at all,and all immigrants must be given British citizenship immediately.Petrol going up in price is all Brexit's fault,and nothing to do with OPEC reducing output.The £ will be worth less than the euro soon,and the shops willonly have sawdust for sale.Welcome to Remainworld

Okay, you are being deliberately obtuse but it only serves to make you look ignorant.

I will listen to Blair's opinion on Brexit and May. I will listen to May's opinion on the matter too. One doesn't have to agree with, like or accept anyone's opinion but one should take time to consider the opinions of those in high office. After all, they make decisions or have influence. At the very least they have experience and insider knowledge. Not voices one should turn a cloth ear toward in my humble.

 

[alfredmizen]

It's that last line of yours and the blinkered, shortsighted, arrogant attitude that will ensure we get a bad deal in Brexit.
Quite mind boggling that people still hold these ridiculous opinions. Just about sums a lot of Brexiteers up though. "We're the best, we can go it alone as we're better than everyone". An attitude that history has time and time again proved to be nothing but bluster.

Christ you're dense , is it really that difficult to comprehend that as I was talking about intelligence cooperation , the intelligence community is who I was referencing, nothing whatsoever to do with the economic withdrawal.

 

[El Presidente]

economic withdrawal.

Isn't that what happens when one's pulled a munter and realise it's a step too far?

 

[alfredmizen]

Isn't that what happens when one's pulled a munter and realise it's a step too far?

Some birds are like mopeds El Pres................fun to ride but you don't want your mates to see you on it !!

 

[The Clamp]

Christ you're dense , is it really that difficult to comprehend that as I was talking about intelligence cooperation , the intelligence community is who I was referencing, nothing whatsoever to do with the economic withdrawal.

.Where have I mentioned economic withdrawal? I was referring to your general attitude and your inferring that the sharing of intelligence gathered by other EU territories isn't worth sharing as we have the best Intelligence services in the world. I'm certain we are up there with the best but going it alone is not ideal when it comes to intelligence. And there is every likelyhood they will not share intelligence. It's very common.

Anyway, thanks for not disappointing with your trademark rudeness. The only saving grace is that nobody really seems to like you on here so I can be assured it's not just me that finds you boorish, ignorant, rude and needlessly acerbic. Have a lovely weekend, be nicer to people in the real world than you are on here.

 

[Two Professors]

Christ you're dense , is it really that difficult to comprehend that as I was talking about intelligence cooperation , the intelligence community is who I was referencing, nothing whatsoever to do with the economic withdrawal.

He's being deliberately obtuse (c.Nibble),because ignorant is the new fashion.

 

[Baldseagull]

Maybe it's a little complicated for you. I'm not saying that the financial markets haven't had a hissy fit and reduced the value of sterling (which BTW, was widely accepted as being OVER-VALUED), but, as it's quite clear to any half-intelligent person, there are many factors which impact the price of fuel. The individual strength of the dollar and that of sterling (the dollar has strengthened - got it?) and then the price of a barrel of oil.

What you Reaminers can't seem to understand (shame, as it's really not complicated), is that Sterling was over-valued and a correction would have happened at some time. As I've posted before, Sterling is MARGINALLY below it's average value of the last 8 year or so. Itt;s been as high as 1.52 (mid 2007) and as low as 1.02 (end 2008) and is now fluctuating between 1.7-1.9, which may be 8-10 cents below it's 'long-term' average.

Wow - the world is coming to an end. Shall I call your mum for you?

The low you mention at end of 2008, you say it as if that was a normal fluctuation low, rather than the effect of massive QE and effectively nationalising some banks with a balance sheet full of toxic debt, and uncertainty as to whether some of the banks might still fail.

 

[Baldseagull]

Yes of course it will on matters that relate to NATO , there have been several occasions when the EU has decided to act unilaterally , not all NATO members are EU members , there is also the matter of sharing intelligence , some halfwit suggested the EU intelligence services would withhold intelligence were we to leave the EU , whereas our intelligence network knocks anything the EU has into a cocked hat, in short , they need us more than we need them.

The point is that we need each other. Whoever you think would lose most, we would both lose something.

 

[Baldseagull]

"The only function of economic forecasting," JK Galbraith once said, "is to make astrology look respectable."

With disarming honesty, the Bank of England's chief economist, Andrew Haldane, has admitted that criticisms that economic forecasts had been wrong before the financial crisis and wrong about the immediate impact of a Brexit vote were a "fair cop".

The profession, he said, was facing a crisis of confidence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38528544

Almost feel sorry for all those hoodwinked by their scaremongering ... 'experts' indeed.

I read elsewhere that Andy Haldanes explanation for the lack of immediate impact is, irrational behaviour, i.e. people have kept spending money as if there is no problem on the horizon. He is not changing his prediction that there will be tougher times ahead, just that they predicted people to become cautious immediately, and not wait for the hammer to fall.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Britain has world’s top economy

Brexit vote was Bank’s ‘Michael Fish moment’

Britain ended last year as the strongest of the world’s advanced economies with growth accelerating in the six months after the Brexit vote.

Business activity hit a 17-month high last month, meaning that the economy grew by 2.2 per cent last year — more than the six other leading nations, including the US, Germany and Japan.

Far from slowing after the referendum in June, as predicted by the Treasury and Bank of England, growth appeared to have improved. GDP grew at 0.3 per cent and 0.6 per cent in the first two quarters of last year, compared with 0.6 per cent and an estimated 0.5 per cent in the final period.

Andrew Haldane, chief economist at the Bank of England, suggested that economic forecasters were facing a “Michael Fish moment” over their mistaken predictions. Mr Haldane, comparing the profession’s failure to spot the 2008 recession to Fish’s infamous assurance of “no hurricane” on the eve of the great storm of 1987, said yesterday: “It’s a fair cop to say that the profession is to some degree in crisis.”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/britain-has-worlds-top-economy-after-brexit-rt7j9lccb

Always had a lot of time for The Times analysis ..

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I read elsewhere that Andy Haldanes explanation for the lack of immediate impact is, irrational behaviour, i.e. people have kept spending money as if there is no problem on the horizon. He is not changing his prediction that there will be tougher times ahead, just that they predicted people to become cautious immediately, and not wait for the hammer to fall.

And if people continue with their supposedly irrational behaviour no doubt the predictions will be proved wrong yet again.