[News] Braking news - more train strikes over the Christmas period announced

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

More like avoiding the rich, the people who dont travel weekdays at peak time.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Okay, they're really going for the poor. Righto.

Isn't there a saying that ends 'dragging you down to their level and beating you with experience'

 

[maresfield seagull]

are you? there's 3 seperate distputes going on, drivers, train staff, national rail. one common theme, union resistance to change.


sure, investment from the public purse. and what do the unions say to that? dont want to change any working practices, keep everything the same. how's investment supposed to work if nothing new is allowed?

Yep daily commute into London
Eagerly awaiting next weeks shit show

 

[drew]

traditionally it is the employer that sets hours and pay, though see it can be confusing with the rail. major part of the dispute is with nationalised Network Rail, where is the shareholder interest there?

we're recylcing the same old debate from last strikes on Southern, the trains have OBS and ticket offices remain open, things the union said wouldnt happen in those disputes. those practices are being rolled out across other TOC, im sure they'll end up the same.

Employers do offer T&Cs and then if you agree to them you sign a contract to take up employment. That doesn't mean either party can arbitrarily change the terms of the contract after that. Changes can be made but both parties need to sign off on them. It's a lot easier for a company with out unionised staff to impose changes but you can bet those changes will not benefit the employee!!

 

[birthofanorange]

Employers do offer T&Cs and then if you agree to them you sign a contract to take up employment. That doesn't mean either party can arbitrarily change the terms of the contract after that. Changes can be made but both parties need to sign off on them. It's a lot easier for a company with out unionised staff to impose changes but you can bet those changes will not benefit the employee!!

But what would shareholders care about that?

 

[theboybilly]

Are the RMT paying their members to strike?

No, but the Government are paying £30m a day for the rail companies not to attend negotiations (by all accounts) Mick Lynch is giving up his pay for every stroke day to the hardship fund. Meanwhile the rich get richer

 

[theboybilly]

No, but the Government are paying £30m a day for the rail companies not to attend negotiations (by all accounts) Mick Lynch is giving up his pay for every stroke day to the hardship fund. Meanwhile the rich get richer

*strike* obviously

 

[drew]

But what would shareholders care about that?

They don't, I never said they did. However, to get a return on their investment they need a successful, profitable business. Pissing of the employees isn't going to achieve that.

 

[birthofanorange]

They don't, I never said they did. However, to get a return on their investment they need a successful, profitable business. Pissing of the employees isn't going to achieve that.

I know you didn't say that, what I mean is that the only thing they're interested in is their profits, and I agree about pissing off the employees.

 

[beorhthelm]

TSSA union have cancelled their strikes and put the lastest offer to members with recommendation to accept. this is the Network Rail dispute not the one with TOC.

TSSA to put Network Rail (NR) offer to members

Rail union TSSA has called off strike action planned for December and is putting an offer to members in Network Rail. However, an offer from the Rail Delivery Group has been rejected meaning industrial action in train operators remains on the cards.

www.tssa.org.uk

interesting the lack of many T&C changes.

 

[Bold Seagull]

TSSA union have cancelled their strikes and put the lastest offer to members with recommendation to accept. this is the Network Rail dispute not the one with TOC.

TSSA to put Network Rail (NR) offer to members

Rail union TSSA has called off strike action planned for December and is putting an offer to members in Network Rail. However, an offer from the Rail Delivery Group has been rejected meaning industrial action in train operators remains on the cards.

www.tssa.org.uk

interesting the lack of many T&C changes.

It is interesting, I don't know enough about the detail, but it would suggest the unions aren't intransigent, or making unreasonable demand. Also suggests a pragmatic approach by the employer can achieve an agreement. The question is, who or what is preventing the RDG from making a similar offer?

 

[Uh_huh_him]

TSSA union have cancelled their strikes and put the lastest offer to members with recommendation to accept. this is the Network Rail dispute not the one with TOC.

TSSA to put Network Rail (NR) offer to members

Rail union TSSA has called off strike action planned for December and is putting an offer to members in Network Rail. However, an offer from the Rail Delivery Group has been rejected meaning industrial action in train operators remains on the cards.

www.tssa.org.uk

interesting the lack of many T&C changes.

Yeah - very different deal on the table.
If I read it right it's £2k for under £24k pa staff, and minimum of £1,750 for all up to £35k then 5% up to £70k.
As you say without any changes to t's and c's.

Offer a sensible deal, get a sensible response.

 

[Wozza]

Interesting Tweet which has gone viral...





EDIT: I see it's already been posted here. Still doing the rounds on Twitter, though.

Is the Albion fan on here? Why would you post exactly the same as others?!

 

[drew]

It is interesting, I don't know enough about the detail, but it would suggest the unions aren't intransigent, or making unreasonable demand. Also suggests a pragmatic approach by the employer can achieve an agreement. The question is, who or what is preventing the RDG from making a similar offer?

One can only guess who's holding up the negotiating!!!

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I think the Tory party actively want a fight with the Unions before the next election.
Beginning to feel more and more like a campaign strategy.

 

[drew]

Interesting Tweet which has gone viral...

Be interesting to see if they are able to track down the source of those tweets!!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Interesting Tweet which has gone viral...

I posted the top one in post 191. Robert is particularly interesting because in another of his tweets he says he remembers the bombs and doodlebugs in WW2. which makes him at least 88. A bit old to still be a train driver.

As for StubbsyRN There was a 'Brighton fan' who almost exclusively posted in the Bear Pit and claimed to be ex RN.

 

[Wozza]

I posted the top one in post 191. Robert is particularly interesting because in another of his tweets he says he remembers the bombs and doodlebugs in WW2. which makes him at least 88. A bit old to still be a train driver.

As for StubbsyRN There was a 'Brighton fan' who almost exclusively posted in the Bear Pit and claimed to be ex RN.

Thanks.

What weird people.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Thanks.

What weird people.

It was Baker Lite. Yes, they are but it goes to show there are bots everywhere. I hope that one gets taken down especially with the bha tag.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A bit of digging in the Twittersphere produced this. It's not even subtle.