Boris Johnson to campaign to leave the EU

[Green Cross Code Man]

I'm genuinely astonished at Johnson's decision - must be the greatest piece of luck Corbyn has had since elected leader. The Tories will spend the next 4 months going into the May elections and London mayor tearing themselves apart over the issue that sent Thatcher to her political grave. It was all being relatively competently managed by the Blair of the right, Cameron with a load of PR bullshite and spin that the press were largely buying but looks like the pig ****er's luck has at last run out. Not before time.

I am genuinely astonished that you think this will help Corbyn in any way at all. He has his own set of problems.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I'm genuinely astonished at Johnson's decision - must be the greatest piece of luck Corbyn has had since elected leader. The Tories will spend the next 4 months going into the May elections and London mayor tearing themselves apart over the issue that sent Thatcher to her political grave. It was all being relatively competently managed by the Blair of the right, Cameron with a load of PR bullshite and spin that the press were largely buying but looks like the pig ****er's luck has at last run out. Not before time.

Even if the Tories implode and go into full self destruct mode they would still be more electable than Corbyn and his motley crew.

 

[topbanana36]

I won't have that, Nigel Farage may be a fool but amazingly, he WAS elected an MEP.

and how many decisions are made by the UK elected MEP's then?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Good news for whom, exactly? I think it will be the end of his political career.

Indeed. London will deffo vote 'in'. Loyal tories will follow their leader. I think Boris has made a bad mistake. And if he was a genuine 'outer' he'd have said before.

Someone said had he gone for in the inners would be in rapture. I'm still an inner, without great enthusiasm, and I would not have been in raptures of the self regarding twerp had gone for 'in'.

But . . . it is certainly a mess now. This is a declaration of war by Boris because if Cameron loses he will certainl;y resign. And then the tories will possibly elect a genuine conviction 'outer' as leader, not a jackass like Boris. That's what I'd do if I were a conviction outer.

 

[London Irish]

Maybe, maybe not. However, they could make Gove and IDS the leader/chancellor and Corbyn would still stand as much chance of winning the next election as Monica Lewinsky being invited for Thanksgiving at the Clintons.

Thank you - it's the arrogance and complacency of the right that we Corbynistas are relying on - I so wish the Tory party was full of the likes of you!

 

[London Irish]

Even if the Tories implode and go into full self destruct mode they would still be more electable than Corbyn and his motley crew.

Of course! So amply proven in recent years when Hague and IDS were leaders. Keep it up pal - we are loving it

 

[London Irish]

I am genuinely astonished that you think this will help Corbyn in any way at all. He has his own set of problems.

Of course he has - and now so does Cameron - it's an equal contest at last - let's see what happens

 

[larus]

Indeed. London will deffo vote 'in'. Loyal tories will follow their leader. I think Boris has made a bad mistake. And if he was a genuine 'outer' he'd have said before.

Someone said had he gone for in the inners would be in rapture. I'm still an inner, without great enthusiasm, and I would not have been in raptures of the self regarding twerp had gone for 'in'.

But . . . it is certainly a mess now. This is a declaration of war by Boris because if Cameron loses he will certainl;y resign. And then the tories will possibly elect a genuine conviction 'outer' as leader, not a jackass like Boris. That's what I'd do if I were a conviction outer.

This issue is BIGGER than party politics, hence the freedom to campaign for their beliefs. However, the outers know that there will be a price to pay in the short-medium term for their stance.

I'm in the BREXIT camp as I would rather have national politicians who I don't trust running the country, rather than unelected bureaucrats who I've never heard of from other countries dictating to us.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Of course! So amply proven in recent years when Hague and IDS were leaders. Keep it up pal - we are loving it

How's your 'principled' messiah coping supporting the pro EU campaign after years of walking through the lobbies with Eurosceptics?

 

[larus]

Thank you - it's the arrogance and complacency of the right that we Corbynistas are relying on - I so wish the Tory party was full of the likes of you!

Well, smart a*se. I'n not RIght Wing. I'm middle of the road really. I think society should be fair, but I feel this works at both ends. Everyone has a duty to contribute to society and the rich should not abuse the system. But, you carry on living in your delusional world and see Labour drift fourther and further to insignificance.
Christ, he's a new leader (which always get a bump in the polls), and the party of government nearly always suffer in polls, yet he's still trailing. So, who's complacent lol?

 

[London Irish]

Everyone knows the majority of Tory voters will vote out - this is their big moment they've waited for since the blessed Thatcher was knifed in the back by Europhiles.

So the incredible irony is Stay will only win if Corbyn goes into mega overdrive and persuades the majority of Labour voters to stay. I think it's an open question whether he will, his vision of reformed European Union is a complicated message and I think he will be honest and say there is a lot wrong with the EU as it currently stands.

Astonishingly, Cameron's fate may rely entirely on Corbyn simplying his message and endorsing Project Fear (the world will end!!!) if we vote Out. I don't think Corbyn will do that, thankfully. In that case there is a very live possibility that many Labour voters will opt for an anti-establishment vote and end Cameron's career.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Well, smart a*se. I'n not RIght Wing. I'm middle of the road really. I think society should be fair, but I feel this works at both ends. Everyone has a duty to contribute to society and the rich should not abuse the system. But, you carry on living in your delusional world and see Labour drift fourther and further to insignificance.
Christ, he's a new leader (which always get a bump in the polls), and the party of government nearly always suffer in polls, yet he's still trailing. So, who's complacent lol?

Yep

 

[London Irish]

Well, smart a*se. I'n not RIght Wing. I'm middle of the road really. I think society should be fair, but I feel this works at both ends. Everyone has a duty to contribute to society and the rich should not abuse the system. But, you carry on living in your delusional world and see Labour drift fourther and further to insignificance.
Christ, he's a new leader (which always get a bump in the polls), and the party of government nearly always suffer in polls, yet he's still trailing. So, who's complacent lol?

He's a new leader trying to profoundly change politics "smart arse" - so of course he won't get some press-engineered bounce based on some friendly profiles from the Tory press that Blair got. Yes it's a much harder road than giving in to the establishment - but thankfully many people are up for the long fight because people are sick of the inequality that has overtaken this country in the last 30 years.

Of course you are middle of the road - shame those politics (Lib Dems, Blairism) have totally collapsed, huh? "Lol"

 

[Eeyore]

Trust me if he announced he was going with IN the inners on here would be estatic.

I can assure you I wouldn't.

A very calculating, self serving, and manipulative politician. The very fact that even the BBC refer to him by his first name is evidence of that.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Everyone knows the majority of Tory voters will vote out - this is their big moment they've waited for...

What evidence? Vast majority of the cabinet are voting in. This isnt really a party line issue.

 

[looney]

How's your 'principled' messiah coping supporting the pro EU campaign after years of walking through the lobbies with Eurosceptics?

Hes doing what his union bosses tell him, another reason Labour wont get a sniff of power for the next 20years.

 

[London Irish]

How's your 'principled' messiah coping supporting the pro EU campaign after years of walking through the lobbies with Eurosceptics?

Very well, thanks for asking. Corbyn set out his views on Europe very clearly before he was elected leader and got a massive mandate for them from Labour members, so the forthcoming debate will be very straightforward for him. Complain about his past views all you want - it's way better than Cameron labelling Mandela a terrorist if you'd like to compare the two, eh?

Many on the left were overly influenced by (love him to bits) Tony Benn's Brit-centric philosophy but that was a long time ago now so bloody well keep up, huh? The emergence of Syriza and Podemos has pretty much convinced most British lefties that we'd prefer to be in their company than the bunch of petty racists Farage leads. Easy choice really.

 

[London Irish]

What evidence? Vast majority of the cabinet are voting in. This isnt really a party line issue.

You are kidding right? Every survey of Tory membership shows them as massive outers. Google it, I'm not your unpaid helper

 

[larus]

He's a new leader trying to profoundly change politics "smart arse" - so of course he won't get some press-engineered bounce based on some friendly profiles from the Tory press that Blair got. Yes it's a much harder road than giving in to the establishment - but thankfully many people are up for the long fight because people are sick of the inequality that has overtaken this country in the last 30 years.

Of course you are middle of the road - shame those politics (Lib Dems, Blairism) have totally collapsed, huh? "Lol"

I'm disillusioned with politics and politicians. The Left Wing cannot accept that there are inefficiencies in the public sector and any idea of change is always taken as a threat. Big business abuses their power by 'influencing' policies to suit the elite. The Left want to target anyone moderately successful with 50% tax, yet large corporations syphon their profits to lax tax jurisdiction like Luxembourg through deals reached when Juncker was in power.

The illusion of left/right I politics is just that. An illusion. The real power is with the super-elite, yet until politicians of all parties and countries join forces to stamp this out, then the window dressing goes on and nothing really changes.

I have no problem paying a fair share of tax. However, I find the thought of a government taking 50% of someone wage when they get to £150k a year just wrong. Yes, that's a damned good wage but it's far from rich.

 

[larus]

You are kidding right? Every survey of Tory membership shows them as massive outers. Google it, I'm not your unpaid helper

Wrong again LI. He stayed the CABINET. He's right. You're wrong.