Boris Johnson 8pm televised address - official match thread

[Butch Willykins]

It was a perfectly serious question. Shutting schools is about reducing infection rates, not so people can work from home. Nursery age children (and staff) are no different.

Much smaller bubbles in a nursery. Maybe 4-8 kids, as opposed to 20+ in a school.

 

[Guinness Boy]

If it’s so controlled and “bubbled” why are games getting called off?

Small number of games called off due to bellendry by players that is now socially unacceptable country wide - no more Tier confusion.

Small number suggests most games are safe

Called off suggests it's not being treated lightly.

Football really isn't the problem.

 

[Bry Nylon]

... a buxom teacher wearing glasses with her hair tied up, and a pencil sticking out of the bun.

Every one be quiet FFS. Stat's talking. Carry on...

 

[darkwolf666]

I was wondering this. All I can think of is that the Government considering it feasible to home school a 5+ year old and juggle working from home, but not possible to look after a baby / toddler and juggle working from home. As my child is 13 months I have no idea if juggling home schooling and a job is in any way feasible, but I do know that the latter is not possible.

I get that, and like most of it the whole thing is impossible to resolve to everyone’s benefit, but if infections are spread through schools and the mixed household interactions then surely the same can be said for nurseries...

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

“ Restaurants can continue to offer delivery for food, but takeaway alcohol will be banned”

Why ban booze?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

It doesn’t sound great but that’s about 14m people. Tier 4 (I think) includes people of all ages with underlying health conditions.

Not happening.

We won’t have the vaccines in place.

 

[Bozza]

Many are to blame but in all honesty the same pattern of infections is occurring in nearly all western countries. I think the government have made bad decisions but I think no matter what was done unless we’d locked down for the entirety of winter, the virus would have spiked massively between January and March.

Understand the lockdown, as numbers are increasing to an uncomfortable level, but at the same time I won’t comply with another year of this if that were to happen, I think there would be a revolution across Europe.

The problem is the alternative is horrendous: people turning up at hospital, and they'll probably have to make their own way there, to be told that they can't be cared for and are, to all intents and purposes, left to die, possibly alone.

This isn't just those infected with Covid either, by the way, it will be those with many illnesses and trauma.

The silver lining of such an eventuality, is many people are so shit scared that they lock themselves down anyway - they don't need a government to tell them to do it.

If you consider the infected -> tested -> hospitalised -> death lag inherent with this illness, those dying today probably got ill when daily positive cases were around a third of what they are now. Extrapolate that up and in 2-3 weeks we could be well over 2,000 newly reported deaths per day. The hospitalisations leading up to that, could well mean that hospitals in some areas are already having to triage, ie we'll try to save him, we can't try to save her.

The unfortunate thing about this new variation is that it would be better (or less worse) if it killed 50% more people at the same level of transmissibility. An increase of 50% transmissibility, once exponential growth comes into play, equals significantly more deaths.

 

[beorhthelm]

So football goes ahead. Construction likely to continue- 3 million people that is.
They simply won't be able to get up to 1.5/2 million vaccines a week. There isn't the infrastructure for that. The first vaccine was given on what, the 8th of December was it? So they've done 1 million in just shy of a month- TWENTY FIVE MILLION people are on the vulnerable list. 31 million are regarded as priority. Even the initial core group- NHS workers, care homes etc is 6 million. They hope to have 1000 Oxford Vac stations set up by the end of the week- not hard to see the scale of the problem.

we have the infrastructure, vaccinate 30m every year in around 3 months. once they've done the vulnerable list they've coverd half the population anyway.

 

[Guinness Boy]

This is the Premier Minister you're trivialising down to the level of one of 2 primary school boys being told off by a buxom teacher wearing glasses with her hair tied up, and a pencil sticking out of the bun.

No it isn't. Where did Boris Johnson INSTRUCT people to socialise at Christmas? If you were concerned, you should not have. End of.

 

[banjo]

Still it was nice all those kids got to go into school for a day, I’m sure the virus took the day off

It worked on Christmas Day. So why not today.

 

[darkwolf666]

Small number of games called off due to bellendry by players that is now socially unacceptable country wide - no more Tier confusion.

Small number suggests most games are safe

Called off suggests it's not being treated lightly.

Football really isn't the problem.

I agree football isn’t the “problem”, but did question the previous posters use of the word “controlled”.

Also, do you have evidence that the games have been called off for the reason you state - bellendery!

 

[crodonilson]

The lockdown is late and doesn't go nearly far enough but it's encouraging that at least he hasn't set an end date in it and indicated that these restrictions will be with us until mid-March at the earliest. Let's hope all the covidiots stick to the rules now and the punishments to those who break the rules are ramped up.

 

[darkwolf666]

Much smaller bubbles in a nursery. Maybe 4-8 kids, as opposed to 20+ in a school.

That’s a reasonable answer, thanks!

 

[Bozza]

If it’s so controlled and “bubbled” why are games getting called off?

Players go home to their family. Their partners may have jobs - certainly outside the Premier League - and kids in school.

A kid brings it home, infects a footballer who then takes it into the club environment.

Footballers can't live in a cricket-style bio-bubble, isolated from everyone else, for the entire season.

 

[seagullwedgee]

Tier 4 does not include those with underlying health issues. It includes those who are clinically extremely vulnerable, who were advised to shield in the first national lockdown, and have been advised to shield again.

 

[Guinness Boy]

With respect, the government have been very anti lockdown, the schools minister was threatening to take legal action and the unions were threatening to strike, they went against the expert advice, and this is only a few weeks after the PM mocked the opposition in parliament for wanting to lockdown, only to make it government policy a few days later.

Yes, this is unprecedented but their disastrous handling of this has only exacerbated the situation

My paragraph one suggests I'm happy with the end result which is EXACTLY the same decision Starmer wanted.

None of what I wrote suggests Boris has done a great job, merely that he's reacted to the cards dealt. You can put "eventually" in brackets if you want. I won't argue much.

 

[Randy McNob]

Public Vote of No Confidence in the Tory Government

https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliam...a8f329dee4&utm_content=fht-22495635-en-gb:v12

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

They hope to have 1000 Oxford Vac stations set up by the end of the week- not hard to see the scale of the problem.

Saw a Tweet earlier from a doctor in London who said that on his shift they'd managed to vaccinate over a thousand people. If they set up 1000 stations and each station managed that, that would be a million a day. I am not suggesting that will happen but it is easy to see how huge numbers could receive their jabs in a relatively short time-frame.

 

[Uncle C]

Understand the lockdown, as numbers are increasing to an uncomfortable level, but at the same time I won’t comply with another year of this if that were to happen.

Can quite work out if you’re an idiot or posing as really macho.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Also, do you have evidence that the games have been called off for the reason you state - bellendery!

Yep. Google how many broke Christmas and New Year guidelines.