BNP's Election Broadcast

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

agreeing to "single market" legislation though is a long way from the current ceding of power and quite an acceptable position.

The majority of legislation is related to the single market, leaving this to a body (ie the EU) where there is no UK goverment input seems unwise to me; it most certainly is not just a series of individual trade deals.
Besides, you need two parties for an agreement and I think it quite possible that the EU would not see concluding bilateral arrangements with the UK as a priority, or even desirable.

 

[Mellotron]

It's about time someone did something with St Peter's Church anyway.

It's now being used plenty, actually.

 

[Gwylan]

it seems to me that thats more simply about change. people dont like it when the bakers turns into a coffee shop, the old cinema closes or the field at the end of the high st has flats built on. people dont like change.

fears of immigrants are just about another change. and guess what, years later the next generation doesnt give a monkeys about the old cinema, or the flats and complain the coffee shop is now turning into a charity shop. it will be the same with immigrants, we will absorb them and they will assimilate.

I think this is right.

I remember Britain in the early 60s. Shops closed on Sundays (and Weds afternoon). No curry houses, kebab shops, pizza places and very few Chinese restaurants; food was bland and unspiced; choice of music was very limited etc, etc

Since then, we have absorbed immigrants from south Asia, Uganda and elsewhere. Our cuisine has been enriched, our music landscape has changed and shops are no longer closed when people want to do their shopping. There are things I still miss - small cinemas, local greengrocers, football terraces - but given the choice of Britain in 1960 and 2010, I think the vast majority of people who remember both will opt for the modern version not the 1960 one.

 

[coventrygull]

There's an interesting point that Zizek makes that Nationalists are just Socialists who have projected the anger of their situation onto a scapegoat.

Be interested to know what he would make of you Coventry.

Nationalism is a very broad term. It can embrace Tory God Save the Queen types to National Anarchists. So i think zizek is too narrow on what he thinks a nationalist thinks or believes.

 

[coventrygull]

I think this is right.

I remember Britain in the early 60s. Shops closed on Sundays (and Weds afternoon). No curry houses, kebab shops, pizza places and very few Chinese restaurants; food was bland and unspiced; choice of music was very limited etc, etc

Since then, we have absorbed immigrants from south Asia, Uganda and elsewhere. Our cuisine has been enriched, our music landscape has changed and shops are no longer closed when people want to do their shopping. There are things I still miss - small cinemas, local greengrocers, football terraces - but given the choice of Britain in 1960 and 2010, I think the vast majority of people who remember both will opt for the modern version not the 1960 one.

Why don't you do a poll then for us oldies. I know which I prefer

 

[Les Biehn]

Nationalism is a very broad term. It can embrace Tory God Save the Queen types to National Anarchists. So i think zizek is too narrow on what he thinks a nationalist thinks or believes.

Well I read it a while back but I think it was in the context of far right nationalism.

 

[Gwylan]

Why don't you do a poll then for us oldies. I know which I prefer

IT would be hard to limit a poll to a certain age group though.

 

[Les Biehn]

What's wrong with a bit of marxism? The beards are great.

 

[Herne Hill Seagull]

I lived in Tooting for four years. I wasn't from there, I did much of my socialising in the curry houses rather than the fairly run-down old-fashioned 'English' style pubs, but, broadly similar to most of Tooting's residents I would suggest, I paid council tax there and didn't commit crime. Would I be welcome there under any regime you ran, bushy? I was an outsider coming in to Tooting as well. Also, when I sold my flat there, the estate agent told me that the area was being 'gentrified' and that more and more white people were moving in and Asian families were moving out. Certainly the street I lived in was considerably 'whiter' when I sold my flat than when I bought it four years previously. Are all those people coming in welcome?

 

[coventrygull]

Well I read it a while back but I think it was in the context of far right nationalism.

If you mean far right nationalism that adopts national socialism as its core ideology. Then these groups are neither nationalist or socialist but follow some bizarre ideology based on social darwinism.

 

[coventrygull]

What about nazbols Les

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNzlu1WN8_c

 

[BigGully]

I think this is right.

I remember Britain in the early 60s. Shops closed on Sundays (and Weds afternoon). No curry houses, kebab shops, pizza places and very few Chinese restaurants; food was bland and unspiced; choice of music was very limited etc, etc

Since then, we have absorbed immigrants from south Asia, Uganda and elsewhere. Our cuisine has been enriched, our music landscape has changed and shops are no longer closed when people want to do their shopping. There are things I still miss - small cinemas, local greengrocers, football terraces - but given the choice of Britain in 1960 and 2010, I think the vast majority of people who remember both will opt for the modern version not the 1960 one.

I am sorry, I really think this kind of justification for immigration is pathetic, unless as I suspect your tong is firmly planted in your cheek !!!

I heard Menzies Campbell waffle the same tripe on Question Time over a year ago of how he had been somewhere and popped into the local Afghan Restaurant and everyone was having a wonderful time and therefore the influx of the aforementioned Nationality was a good thing.

Jesus, he couldn't grasp the strain on local resources like Education, Health, Social Welfare and the genuine desire from the local people to be able to at least converse with their neighbours, not to mention the Heroin Gangs that had had a shoot out that very same week down their High Street.

So yes I love a curry but call be old fashioned I have chosen not to let that dictate a view of an open door immigration policy.

 

[Les Biehn]

What about nazbols Les

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNzlu1WN8_c

That is some weird shit.

 

[Les Biehn]

I am sorry, I really think this kind of justification for immigration is pathetic, unless as I suspect your tong is firmly planted in your cheek !!!

I heard Menzies Campbell waffle the same tripe on Question Time over a year ago of how he had been somewhere and popped into the local Afghan Restaurant and everyone was having a wonderful time and therefore the influx of the aforementioned Nationality was a good thing.

Jesus, he couldn't grasp the strain on local resources like Education, Health, Social Welfare and the genuine desire from the local people to be able to at least converse with their neighbours, not to mention the Heroin Gangs that had had a shoot out that very same week down their High Street.

So yes I love a curry but call be old fashioned I have chosen not to let that dictate a view of an open door immigration policy.

If these people are working or running a business and paying taxes how are they a strain?

Also was the heroin gang, and all heroin gangs, make up purely of immigrants?

 

[perseus]

Kingdom of the South Saxons

Nationalism is a very broad term. It can embrace Tory God Save the Queen types to National Anarchists. So i think zizek is too narrow on what he thinks a nationalist thinks or believes.

Just families which are part of their tribe. With arbitary political boundaries marked by the wall or the fence (Robin is beyond the pale). When was Wales ever a nation ? Ask Offa. And what is all this nonsense of Carlisle being in England?

File:British isles 802.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[coventrygull]

That is some weird shit.

Nice girls though. Check out Dugins fascism borderless and red on youtube

 

[coventrygull]

Just families which are part of their tribe. With arbitary political boundaries marked by the wall or the fence (Robin is beyond the pale). When was Wales ever a nation ? Ask Offa. And what is all this nonsense of Carlisle being in England?

File:British isles 802.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thats what it boils down to in the end. The tribe.

 

[BigGully]

If these people are working or running a business and paying taxes how are they a strain?

Also was the heroin gang, and all heroin gangs, make up purely of immigrants?

Your naivety is astounding.

You have wrongly decided to group all immigrants as kitchen workers or chefs, my point was exactly the opposite.

They clearly aren't so therefore to use there impact on our cuisine to somehow justify an open door immigration policy is silly.

As for heroin gangs being run by Afghan immigrants please do not so readily dismiss it, in London there is some justification for this view and if you accept that much of our heroin supply originates from Afghanistan then it is likely that the criminal elements within that community will use its knowledge, contacts and general undetectability to ravage parts of our cities, with the drug and protect the profits with violence.

 

[The Large One]

Your naivety is astounding.

You have wrongly decided to group all immigrants as kitchen workers or chefs, my point was exactly the opposite.

They clearly aren't so therefore to use there impact on our cuisine to somehow justify an open door immigration policy is silly.

As for heroin gangs being run by Afghan immigrants please do not so readily dismiss it, in London there is some justification for this view and if you accept that much of our heroin supply originates from Afghanistan then it is likely that the criminal elements within that community will use its knowledge, contacts and general undetectability to ravage parts of our cities, with the drug and protect the profits with violence.

Makes you pine for the return of Ronnie and Reggie, dunnit?

 

[User removed 4]

I lived in Tooting for four years. I wasn't from there, I did much of my socialising in the curry houses rather than the fairly run-down old-fashioned 'English' style pubs, but, broadly similar to most of Tooting's residents I would suggest, I paid council tax there and didn't commit crime. Would I be welcome there under any regime you ran, bushy? I was an outsider coming in to Tooting as well. Also, when I sold my flat there, the estate agent told me that the area was being 'gentrified' and that more and more white people were moving in and Asian families were moving out. Certainly the street I lived in was considerably 'whiter' when I sold my flat than when I bought it four years previously. Are all those people coming in welcome?

Most people ar welcome in moderate numbers , the area has been 'swamped' with asians in the last 25 years.