BNP's Election Broadcast

[Deportivo Seagull]

I dont know, i didnt make a coment about griffin, i made a comment about sensible debates on immigration, why do you keep trying to divert attention away from that ?

Come on Bushy, you aren't going to get sensible debate regards immigration if you drag the BNP and Griffin into the argument, because quite frankly they haven't a clue. His view on the Holocast bars him from any debate ...

 

[Kumquat]

OK. Are you for a blanket ban on people coming in from those countries you listed above?

How do you administer, for instance, someone from Pakistan who wants to come over and study medicine from someone from, say, Norway, who wants to come and be a sponging bum?

Is it their country of origin that worries you, or their intent once they're here?

Both would be allowed in under current rules I think,because if i'm right, medicine is considered skilled work. Anyone from Norway can come and work here because they are in the EU so it's quite easy to differentiate. When the points-based system was set up, clear definitions of what constituted a skilled profession were examined and set.

 

[Gwylan]

Anyone from Norway can come and work here because they are in the EU so it's quite easy to differentiate.

Wrong.

TLO gave a bad example as a Norwegian bum wouldn't be allowed in.

He should have used Sweden or Finland or somewhere in the EU, as bums from those countries would be allowed in.

 

[auschr]

Both would be allowed in under current rules I think,because if i'm right, medicine is considered skilled work. Anyone from Norway can come and work here because they are in the EU so it's quite easy to differentiate. When the points-based system was set up, clear definitions of what constituted a skilled profession were examined and set.

norway is not in the eu. both left and right parties are against joining the eu over the lack of democracy the eu displays. not bad from the country that defines some of the best socialism in the world.

 

[User removed 4]

I heard the other day that Asians take 3% of handouts in this country, but generate 6% of GDP. I'll see if I can find a link.

While you're at it find the one about how much money is sent back to the sub continent, see if you can find out how much the various translation services cost as well, oh, and how about the hidden costs such as diminishing social cohesion, and the fact that tower hamlets has a higher TB rate than than a whole host of 'developing' countries, what effect the 'importation' of wives from gthe sub continent , most of them non english speaking , has on the integration of the community, also the fact that many of thenm are first cousins and the abnormal amount of birth defects in children from these marriages, we can all quote statistics, especially from the comfort of reigate.

 

[Dandyman]

This kind of statement is exactly why a sensible debate on immigration doesnt happen, grow up for f*** sake

The BNP supporters on here called for a total block on immigration, that clearly includes Gus.

If you want a "sensible debate" then let's also talk about how global capital exploits the developing world and pushes the poor toward the rich countries, how the IMF, World Bank continue that dependency and how dividing up working people on the basis of ethnicity has been one of the more unpleasant tactics of the ruling classes since the Hugenots fled France 500 years ago.

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Both would be allowed in under current rules I think,because if i'm right, medicine is considered skilled work. Anyone from Norway can come and work here because they are in the EU so it's quite easy to differentiate. When the points-based system was set up, clear definitions of what constituted a skilled profession were examined and set.

Norway is not in the EU but, like Switzerland and Iceland, it does have bilateral agreements with the EU in which it agrees that it will adopt all the EU "single market" legislation verbatum into national law. This includes the mobility of labour provisions so anyone from Norway can enter the UK as they wish but the Norwegian government has no input into the legislation.
Should the UK ever decide to leave the EU then we would have to conclude similar agreements with the EU or face life outside the EFTA area with the associated tariffs.

 

[User removed 4]

Wapedia - Wiki: British Asian
British Asian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the other hand, too many don't feel British:
BBC NEWS | UK | Many Asians 'do not feel British'


My observation from the only Asians I really properly know, is that they are as British as I am, with one or two notable differences. Firstly, they still have a bizarre attachment to the Indian cricket team. Yet they tell me that when they go and visit relatives in the sub continent, they find themselves constantly "bragging with pride" of their own home nation in the UK. Secondly, their home lives are far more family orientated, but it's a cultural thing and I've been made to feel welcome at the couple of Asian weddings I've been to.

Of course there are people who are unpalatable - I was shagging an Asian girl many years ago, and wasn't allowed to meet the family. Funnily enough, my wife had a similar problem before she met me. But invariably it is past generations who are guilty of this - younger Asians are as integrated as anyone else, IMO.

This is quite a fair post if were talking about Indians , or to be more specific, sikhs and hindus, however try applying what you've put to those of bangaladeshi or pakistani origin in places like bradford, burnley or tower hamlets, and ill guarantee it doesnt apply.

 

[User removed 4]

Come on Bushy, you aren't going to get sensible debate regards immigration if you drag the BNP and Griffin into the argument, because quite frankly they haven't a clue. His view on the Holocast bars him from any debate ...

I may have commented on the thread , but i havent 'dragged' the bnp into the debate , read my second post on this thread for my views re: the bnp.

 

[Mr Blobby]

That's a waste of their deposit then.

There is more chance of Gordon Brown changing his name to Wendy and announcing he's having gender reassignment surgery next Friday morning, than of any candidate other than Nicholas Soames winning Mid Sussex.

And frankly even if the Conservatives decided (for a laugh) not to contest the seat, the BNP's single issue campaigning wouldn't hold much weight in the leafy lanes of middle class Mid Sussex. I doubt there's many people living in Burgess Hill or Haywards Heath that are ranting about losing jobs to immigrants.

I am still surpised to see a BNP candidate in Mid Sussex, not sure what vote they are expecting to pick up. In the 2001 census 97.3% of the eligable voters where white.

Soames has a 5,890 majority over the Liberal Democrats and is not even in the Lib Dems top 100 target seats as requires a 12% swing from Tory to Lib Dem.

 

[BigGully]

The BNP supporters on here called for a total block on immigration, that clearly includes Gus.

If you want a "sensible debate" then let's also talk about how global capital exploits the developing world and pushes the poor toward the rich countries, how the IMF, World Bank continue that dependency and how dividing up working people on the basis of ethnicity has been one of the more unpleasant tactics of the ruling classes since the Hugenots fled France 500 years ago.

Personally it would be reasonable not to want any BUM to come and take mine and your taxes.

I am sure a BUM in Sweden is quite happy with their lot in Sweden, so has less inclination to come scrounge over here, however it is quite reasonable to expect people from countries that do not enjoy such economic opportunities to come and enjoy a comparably high standard of living for not working over.

Dandyman you seem to wrap up a view of total block on immigration as racist, but unless you support absolutely NO LIMITS on peoples coming here, then you also support a total block at some point, its just a matter of degrees, maybe you would like to give me a number of how many you would allow before acknowledging any unbearable strain on finite resources etc.

 

[Gwylan]

dividing up working people on the basis of ethnicity has been one of the more unpleasant tactics of the ruling classes since the Hugenots fled France 500 years ago.

Yeah, that would have been my ancestors (it's more like 300 years BTW, they fled after the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes which was 1685).

I think it's fair to say that I feel thoroughly British now.

 

[Kumquat]

Norway is not in the EU but, like Switzerland and Iceland, it does have bilateral agreements with the EU in which it agrees that it will adopt all the EU "single market" legislation verbatum into national law. This includes the mobility of labour provisions so anyone from Norway can enter the UK as they wish but the Norwegian government has no input into the legislation.
Should the UK ever decide to leave the EU then we would have to conclude similar agreements with the EU or face life outside the EFTA area with the associated tariffs.

Cheers for clarifying, that'll learn me! Anyway - main point I was making which would have been clearer had my facts been correct(!) was that there are EU legal requirements on mobility of labour and that unskilled workers from outside the EU are now not allowed. So basically there are clear definitions for who is and who isn't allowed in. Good job i'm not an immigration officer though otherwise there'd be a lot more norwegians here if I was!

 

[User removed 4]

OK. Are you for a blanket ban on people coming in from those countries you listed above?

How do you administer, for instance, someone from Pakistan who wants to come over and study medicine from someone from, say, Norway, who wants to come and be a sponging bum?

Is it their country of origin that worries you, or their intent once they're here?

Blanket ban ? pretty much yes, is it there country of origin or intent ? a mixture of both really, let me ask you a question , would you be happy if in 20 years time brighton had the same racial demographic as tower hamlets ?

 

[perseus]

BNP have moved towards the Right and are even more Authoritarian since the last elections (when they were left of centre)

Similarly, the extreme left identifies a strong degree of state economic control, which may also be accompanied by liberal or authoritarian social policies. It's muddled thinking to simply describe the likes of the British National Party as "extreme right". The truth is that on issues like health, transport, housing, protectionism and globalisation, their economics are left of Labour, let alone the Conservatives. It's in areas like police power, military power, school discipline, law and order, race and nationalism that the BNP's real extremism - as authoritarians - is clear. It's easy to see how the term national socialism came into being. The uncomfortable reality is that much of their support comes from former Labour voters.



UK Parties 2010 General Election

 

[coventrygull]

The BNP supporters on here called for a total block on immigration, that clearly includes Gus.

If you want a "sensible debate" then let's also talk about how global capital exploits the developing world and pushes the poor toward the rich countries, how the IMF, World Bank continue that dependency and how dividing up working people on the basis of ethnicity has been one of the more unpleasant tactics of the ruling classes since the Hugenots fled France 500 years ago.

Now I agree with you regarding global capital and its exploits in the developing world. I don't think you can have a serious debate on immigration without mentioning it. To use the old marxist clap trap about using ethnicity to divide the working class is pushing it a bit.

 

[The Large One]

Wrong.

TLO gave a bad example as a Norwegian bum wouldn't be allowed in.

He should have used Sweden or Finland or somewhere in the EU, as bums from those countries would be allowed in.

I did mean someone from Norway - someone NOT from the EU.

I know non-EU European states have many agreements with the EU on a range of issues, but I was trying to consider a comapre & contrast with someone from somewhere like Pakistan, a country tied in fairly closely with the UK through the Commonwealth.

 

[The Large One]

Blanket ban ? pretty much yes, is it there country of origin or intent ? a mixture of both really, let me ask you a question , would you be happy if in 20 years time brighton had the same racial demographic as tower hamlets ?

It depends on what that racial demographic can bring to the party.

If you're talking about a social or economic demographic, that's a different matter.

 

[coventrygull]

Blanket ban ? pretty much yes, is it there country of origin or intent ? a mixture of both really, let me ask you a question , would you be happy if in 20 years time brighton had the same racial demographic as tower hamlets ?

Now I would love to come on here in 20 years time and see the comments on this board then

 

[Gwylan]

I did mean someone from Norway - someone NOT from the EU.

I know non-EU European states have many agreements with the EU on a range of issues, but I was trying to consider a comapre & contrast with someone from somewhere like Pakistan, a country tied in fairly closely with the UK through the Commonwealth.

Fair enough.

I don't know enough about immigration rules to know all the ins and outs. A few years ago, I was friendly with someone from Croatia who seemed to have heaps of Croatian and Serbian friends who appeared to have no problems being here. My friend had a British passport thanks to a marriage, but I did wonder just how so many non-EU citizens managed to get here.

Note to BNPers, they all seemed to have jobs so won't scrounging off the state.