BNP

[coventrygull]

I would say its a National Identity.

Yes and that too. i see you are in Athens whats the political situation like there. Has it calmed down

 

[blue'n'white]

After a trip to crawley today i have decided i have had enough of the way this county is being run. So i shall be voting the British National Party next election.

Sorry if i have offended anyone.

Ans then your name will be on a list - any "racist" attacks in the Burgess Hill area and you'll be first to have your collar felt. And no this isn't rampant paranoia - it is incredibly easy ( if time consuming) to do.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Speaking for myself. My strong sense of personal identity enables me to treat all people with respect

And that is why you should not be supportive of the BNP.

They don't even treat their own supporters with respect. There is more infighting in that lot than anywhere else and it stems from the fact that they are wholly distrustful of everyone and equally dishonest themselves.

Every policy is based on immigration or racism and therefore they can only get power by creating a race war.

 

[clapham_gull]

To be fair left and right are a little blurred now. If you look at the BNP there is a large socialist element in their policies. The labour party on the other hand are free market capitalist.

Many years ago an organisation I belonged too wanted to start up talks with various left and green groups. The left rejected the offer.

The traditional conceptions of left and right mean nothing to me.

When you've got the left and the right both questioning the UKs involvement in Europe and the far-right flirting with Green issues the terms become very blurred indeed. They are other examples of course, and their meaningless is personified by the current Labour and Conservative Parties.

However racism is still very much racism in my eyes.

 

[Stoo82]

To be fair left and right are a little blurred now. If you look at the BNP there is a large socialist element in their policies. The labour party on the other hand are free market capitalist.

Many years ago an organisation I belonged too wanted to start up talks with various left and green groups. The left rejected the offer.

True. Noone really knows what parties stand for anymore. What I ment was that the left and right are equaly fanitical about the way they do things.

The left accuse those in the BNP (or those that support them) as being rasist and Nazis without realising that most just want a fair deal for British people.

The right accuse those in the Labour Party (or those that support them) as being for to libral and leting in every single person who wants to come in weather they are a threat to the country or not. Not realising that they just want to help some poor bugger whos house has been bombed and has been chased out of his own country by his government.

 

[Gully]

Speaking for myself. My strong sense of personal identity enables me to treat all people with respect

Likewise, I have respect for those who respect themselves and all others regardless of their creed or culture, my personal identity is of someone descended from immigrants. I love this country and am grateful for the opportunities it has given me and those from whom I am descended...for me that is what makes Britain great.

 

[Stoo82]

Yes and that too. i see you are in Athens whats the political situation like there. Has it calmed down

If you are refering to the riots, then everything is fine.

What happened was that this kid got killed by a police man (which is why police should never carry guns).

30 odd years ago the Greek government was fasist. The student back then rose up and brought down the government. Greek law now says that the governmen (army/police) are not alowed onto student property, which is why it lasted so long. Not forgtting that the riots although started by the shooting were continuted because its like a right of passage for young greeks to show the government who is in charge. Something us Brits could learn from. also greece is so currupt you would not beleve. some of the Police were letting the rioters into the police staion so the police would get new computers and desks and things. I kid you not.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

True. Noone really knows what parties stand for anymore. What I ment was that the left and right are equaly fanitical about the way they do things.

The left accuse those in the BNP (or those that support them) as being rasist and Nazis without realising that most just want a fair deal for British people.

The right accuse those in the Labour Party (or those that support them) as being for to libral and leting in every single person who wants to come in weather they are a threat to the country or not. Not realising that they just want to help some poor bugger whos house has been bombed and has been chased out of his own country by his government.

Thats not right.

Make no mistake the BNP is racist and the voluntary repatriation thing is a smoke screen for what will really happen if they got in. Do you think Hitler would ever have got to power if he told the German people what was really going to happen?

There is no Labour party - that died somewhere in the eighties leaving what was left to gain power by taking the ground of left wing tories pushing the conservatives further right. Cameron now is trying to take the same ground with a different colour label. New Labour Old Tories - New Tories Old New Labour.

The Liberals and the greens now don't know where they are and could merge with anyone.

 

[coventrygull]

And that is why you should not be supportive of the BNP.

They don't even treat their own supporters with respect. There is more infighting in that lot than anywhere else and it stems from the fact that they are wholly distrustful of everyone and equally dishonest themselves.

Every policy is based on immigration or racism and therefore they can only get power by creating a race war.

I think you will find even left wing groups to be very factional. I wouldn't denie that the BNP did have and probably still has a paranoid element within it. this is due to left wing and possibly state infiltration. I myself was one of those distrusted. Hence why I am not active in Politics anymore.

If you read there policies they are not all based on race and immigration. As for starting a race war. I think there are groups outside the BNP who would like to create that. Not all of them white I would like to add.

 

[coventrygull]

The traditional conceptions of left and right mean nothing to me.

When you've got the left and the right both questioning the UKs involvement in Europe and the far-right flirting with Green issues the terms become very blurred indeed. They are other examples of course, and their meaningless is personified by the current Labour and Conservative Parties.

However racism is still very much racism in my eyes.

Is it racism to defends ones national and cultural identity? I am against Globalisation because it wants to destroy all peoples identity. Does that make me a racist?

 

[coventrygull]

Thats not right.

Make no mistake the BNP is racist and the voluntary repatriation thing is a smoke screen for what will really happen if they got in. Do you think Hitler would ever have got to power if he told the German people what was really going to happen?

There is no Labour party - that died somewhere in the eighties leaving what was left to gain power by taking the ground of left wing tories pushing the conservatives further right. Cameron now is trying to take the same ground with a different colour label. New Labour Old Tories - New Tories Old New Labour.

The Liberals and the greens now don't know where they are and could merge with anyone.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Many on the far right see the BNP as civic nationalists who have sold out. I think comparisons with the Nazi party are misleading.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

I think you will find even left wing groups to be very factional. I wouldn't denie that the BNP did have and probably still has a paranoid element within it. this is due to left wing and possibly state infiltration. I myself was one of those distrusted. Hence why I am not active in Politics anymore.

If you read there policies they are not all based on race and immigration. As for starting a race war. I think there are groups outside the BNP who would like to create that. Not all of them white I would like to add.

The only policies that count are immigration/race.

You can't call the gang fights race wars just as much as Cardiff v Leeds hoolies isn't a race war. Its just gang fights between those groups. Its the political extremists that need to be watched - the ones that will act as terrorists.

McVeigh and ones like him - really mixed up and insensitive to all people

 

[clapham_gull]

Is it racism to defends ones national and cultural identity? I am against Globalisation because it wants to destroy all peoples identity. Does that make me a racist?

Nope, but this "new age" form of right wing politics excusing racism with things we haven't thought of yet doesn't wash with me to be honest.

Problem with it is that gives people you are genuinely racist an excuse.

You can see the evidence of it on here to be honest. There has been many occasions where the less deep thinking as yourself have dabbled with some of the ideas you express, but lose the thread after a few minutes.

Of course a few are drawn to ideas of racial separation from some form of non aggressive ideological position, but unless they were forthright in stopping people following them from a position of pure hatred, I fail to have sympathy with the former.

Personally I think if you scratch beneath the surface.....

 

[Chicken Runner61]

I think comparisons with the Nazi party are misleading.

No they are not - they are too close for comfort and the reason they deny the link.

Out of curiosty are you a holocaust denier?

 

[coventrygull]

The only policies that count are immigration/race.

You can't call the gang fights race wars just as much as Cardiff v Leeds hoolies isn't a race war. Its just gang fights between those groups. Its the political extremists that need to be watched - the ones that will act as terrorists.

McVeigh and ones like him - really mixed up and insensitive to all people

Its quite amazing how gangs are often based in race. A couple of years ago there was trouble between blacks and Pakistanis in Birmingham. It was based on drugs but there was a racial element there. I think people need to be aware that its just not a simple black and white issue

 

[Don Quixote]

Allah!!!??!

 

[coventrygull]

Nope, but this "new age" form of right wing politics excusing racism with things we haven't thought of yet doesn't wash with me to be honest.

Problem with it is that gives people you are genuinely racist an excuse.

You can see the evidence of it on here to be honest. There has been many occasions where the less deep thinking as yourself have dabbled with some of the ideas you express, but lose the thread after a few minutes.

Of course a few are drawn to ideas of racial separation from some form of non aggressive ideological position, but unless they were forthright in stopping people following them from a position of pure hatred, I fail to have sympathy with the former.

Personally I think if you scratch beneath the surface.....

I can see where you are coming from but for me I believe what I believe. I just think that we need new ideas for a new era. yes its a bit new age but its something that is needed

The socialist party up here still bang on about Trotsky and Marx.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Its quite amazing how gangs are often based in race. A couple of years ago there was trouble between blacks and Pakistanis in Birmingham. It was based on drugs but there was a racial element there. I think people need to be aware that its just not a simple black and white issue

But thats been happening for centuries all over the world. Go to aus and see the fights between the Viets and the greeks and Malts and the Lebos.

In america between other nationalities and even in italy between the North and south.

In the balkans between Serbs and Croats albanians and Greeks

If anything the multicultralism you are against would actually smooth that out a bit therefore making a multicultural ENGLISH nation a thing to behold

 

[coventrygull]

No they are not - they are too close for comfort and the reason they deny the link.

Out of curiosty are you a holocaust denier?

Where is the Link between the BNP and Nazi Germany. I await the Nick Griffin

quotes.

Holocaust denial that old chestnut. No i am not a holocaust denier but then again holocaust denial does not make you a nazi. quite a few arabs believe in it

 

[Don Quixote]

The socialist party up here still bang on about Trotsky and Marx.

Its not like Karl Marx actually invented socialism or anything is it... but Trotsky forget him he did nothing good.