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algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
Perhaps someone can clear this one up.During operation Mincemeat when the British planted fake plans on a dead man(The man who never was)which was washed up in Spanish waters the Germans got wind of it.They wanted to know if this was genuine and contacted an Irish Spy to verify that the dead man was an legitimate Officer in the Royal navy as they took the plans seriously.The spy(Irish) comfirmed it was true and the British intelligence new all about this spy and thats why he wasn't arrested as it would f*** up the plan which turned out to be a great success.
 
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algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
f***ing hell Spencer, I've just unbanned myself as that comment is way out of line.

The vast majority of the Irish people supported the Allies in the war. There were some Nazi sympathisers, just as there were some BRITISH Nazi sympathisers too, what they had in common was that they were all arseholes.

There were Russian spies educated at Cambridge, it doesn't mean that everyone from that six fingered City is a Commie though does it?

It is wrong to apply sweeping generalisations to complete nations.

p.s I'm now banning myself again x:kiss:

I've brought you back:clap2::clap2:

Stay around mate.
 


Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
Perhaps someone can clear this one up.During operation Mincemeat when the British planted force plans on a dead man(The man who never was)which was washed up in Spanish waters the Germans got wind of it.They wanted to know if this was genuine and contacted an Irish Spy to verify that the dead man was an legitimate Officerin the Royal navy as they took the plans seriously.The spy(Irish) comfirmed it was true and the British intelligence new all about this spy and thats why he wasn't arrested as it would f*** up the plan which turned out to be a great success.

You may have the idea of an "Irish spy" and a "spy holding Irish nationality" backwards.

The Irish Government's secret service did not have spys in the UK during the war. It has never had international spys at all.

There may have been spies of Irish nationality; but thats like claiming that the UK helped the Soviets due to Philby.

Additionally. I've never heard of any involvement of an Irish spy in Operation Mincemeat to begin with; and the Unreliablipedia doesn't have anything on it about it either.
 








algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
You may have the idea of an "Irish spy" and a "spy holding Irish nationality" backwards.

The Irish Government's secret service did not have spys in the UK during the war. It has never had international spys at all.

There may have been spies of Irish nationality; but thats like claiming that the UK helped the Soviets due to Philby.

Additionally. I've never heard of any involvement of an Irish spy in Operation Mincemeat to begin with; and the Unreliablipedia doesn't have anything on it about it either.

What about Lord Haw Haw? Born in America but was brought up in Ireland? I'm sure his rants were well appreciated.
 




Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
What about Lord Haw haw? Born in America but was brought up in Ireland? I'm sure his rants were well appreciated.

And? Already discussed on this thread - actions of a citizen do not equal actions of the state. Taking your rationale the British Government bombed Dublin, Monaghan, Dundalk et al during the 1970s.
 


London Pompous

Active member
Feb 16, 2008
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algie said:
if buggery is so natural,why is the anus not self lubricating in the way the vagina is?nature must be trying to tell us something!!

Self lubricating? You clearly never f***ed my ex wife
 
















algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
As I've already said, he didn't sign a book of condolence so that is not a fact. Your knowledge of facts is so incredibly wrong you may as well stop claiming any. Additionally, where the hell do you think he would have hypothetically signed a book of condolence in the German embassy - Rome? Paris?

In his dual position of Minister for External Affairs he sent a telegram of condolence as was state policy of the time. Had it been Churchill, King George, Roosevelt or Mussolini a telegram would have been sent.


As i've said to you before, he signed it in Dublin.Perhaps it's you who needs to get your facts right and it wasn't a telegram either.You didn't even know you had a German embassy in Dublin:lol:

Belfast Cathedral - 1941 To 1950
 
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Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
As i've said to before he signed it in Dublin.Perhaps it's you who needs to get your facts right and it wasn't a telegram either.You didn't even know you had a German embassy in Dublin:lol:

Belfast Cathedral - 1941 To 1950

Except he didn't. There are some faulty sources on the net, such as that. Official daily diaries show that he didn't visit the Germany embassy. They DO show that he sent a telegram, which your faulty source doesn't even claim he didn't - so where did you get that "fact" you claim, again, inacurately from.

de Valera was notable for never signing books of condolence, as it happens - the death of Roosevelt got a telegram too and his non-appearance at the US embassy was a source of media scandal.

Anyway, you said you "believe" he signed it in Dublin, hence my question - where the f*** else could he have signed it if he had?
 


algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
Except he didn't. There are some faulty sources on the net, such as that. Official daily diaries show that he didn't visit the Germany embassy. They DO show that he sent a telegram, which your faulty source doesn't even claim he didn't - so where did you get that "fact" you claim, again, inacurately from.

de Valera was notable for never signing books of condolence, as it happens - the death of Roosevelt got a telegram too and his non-appearance at the US embassy was a source of media scandal.

Anyway, you said you "believe" he signed it in Dublin, hence my question - where the f*** else could he have signed it if he had?
Yep i thought you might dismiss that as a unreliable source as it contradicts what you believe.So if i find another link will you treat that the same way Cian? The link i gave you i thought would be more creditable as it's from Belfast.This is not a personal attack on you but i believe you will be totally biased because of your Irish roots.
 




ATFC Seagull

Aberystwyth Town FC
Jul 27, 2004
5,350
(North) Portslade
I hate the EU and everything its stands for. Nothing wrong with that.

What such as peace, co-operation, the promotion of Western (and dare I say even for the most part Christian) ideals in our region, making sure everyone is on the same side?

Grow up and understand politics. You dislike some aspects of the EU structure. If you hated everything it stands for, you would probably be either an Islamic fundamentalist, or Russian. Are you either of these?
 


Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
Yep i thought you might dismiss that as a unreliable source as it contradicts what you believe.So if i find another link will you treat that the same way Cian? The link i gave you i thought would be more creditable as it's from Belfast.This is not a personal attack on you but i believe you will be totally biased because of your Irish roots.

Having done a quick google earlier there are about 100 websites claiming that it happened. None of them are accurate.

I have an A level in Irish history, you are some bloke on a forum desperate to believe what you've been told - if anyone has total bias on this matter it would be you.

There are state records accurately showing what happened, which are available in the National Archives. They've been there since 1978 when the 30 year rule expired. They are not redacted in any way. There is much content in these records which is highly embarrasing for the state - so there is not a chance they went to the effort of removing from the record something which is barely different in action and intent to what actually happened.

My point in arguing this isn't to claim that the state didn't acknowledge the death of Hitler - they did. This is well known. My point is that they did not under any circumstances do it in the matter which you claim.

And by the way - why would I necessarily believe a site from Belfast more? Its also from a Protestant cathedrals website...
 


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