[News] Bill Archer (not dead)

[Diallo]

It's bizarre how many people associate themselves as religious but show no forgiveness and sometimes no love to friend or family and offer no help for charity unless their church going mates are looking. Sorry, I speak as I find. Good religious people also available.

But we’re talking about the morals of maintaining hatred for someone from over a quarter of a century ago, not religious people.

My point with religion was in reference to someone showing their respect towards religion in relation to pro hate.

 

[hart's shirt]

Isn’t not to hate actually one of the 10 commandments?

Without wishing to turn this thread into a theological discussion whilst still answering your question, the short answer is that it isn't.

(Feel free to double check in Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21.)

According to Scripture, there are actually plenty of things that God hates.

"There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers." (Proverbs 6:16-19)

There's also much about fairness in business dealings. Just one example below:

"Food gained by fraud tastes sweet, but one ends up with a mouth full of gravel." (Proverbs 20:17)

Vengeance which leads on from that anger is something else, but we're talking here about a businessman solely motivated by greed.

There's been no contrition or remorse, let alone an active repentance in repaying the profits earned from the sale of the Goldstone.

The possibility of forgiveness can only be extended when repentance is sought with appropriate actions. Talk is cheap.

Examples of this might include appropriate compensation, extensive apologies and a change in future behaviour.

If we do something wrong and are genuinely sorry about it, we'll do everything we can to put it right if at all possible.

Over the last 26 years, there's been no evidence of this from Bill Archer.

If Archer feels he doesn't need forgiving by Albion fans, who are we to give him a break from chewing gravel?

 

[portlock seagull]

Time to let go

Not me. He raped our club, and I lost years of my life fighting that sociopathic c***. Nah, he can burn for eternity far as I’m concerned. Which is apt really, because hell is where his kind go. When he dies, and assuming he doesn’t instantly shrivel into a black vapour, be great if lots of us attended his funeral (aka Mellor II: the Return) with loudspeakers to remind any mourners (again, assuming there might be some) of the terrible things he did. That’s his real legacy. Infamy. Younger fans should be constantly reminded of his ilk to prevent history repeating itself. For every Bloom there are many many more Archers (and Bellotti’s).

As Paul Hayward wrote in the MT90mins, “Why? And for what?”

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

For the main Sussex hospital to be based at Pease Pottage, would be madness.

I've friends in Crawley who feel well looked after by the Crawley and Redhill hospitals. Why a third hospital in the locality?

The large conurbation of Brighton and Hove should and does have a proper hospital.

The County does need to move but ideally on the A27 IMO… Great Western is a good example at Swindon.

As well as a cancer centre, they are also a trauma centre, so access is key.

Hospitals are generally sited nearest the larger population, and although Pease Pottage is accessible, even with a blue light the actual population served would be largely rural.

 

[big nuts]

In all seriousness, how will the great day of his passing be celebrated? Will there be a minute's delirious celebration at the first available opportunity at the Amex?

I think the atmosphere at that first game will be amazing, sheer joy. I don't think about those people at all, but I certainly will be celebrating when they eventually drop off the earth. I really hope they feel some kind of shame every time we're spoken about on TV. Nice try, bastards, but here we are anyway.

Perhaps after 56 minutes and 25 seconds of the next match we can have a huge rendition of build a bonfire.

 

[Diallo]

Without wishing to turn this thread into a theological discussion whilst still answering your question, the short answer is that it isn't.

(Feel free to double check in Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21.)

According to Scripture, there are actually plenty of things that God hates.

"There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers." (Proverbs 6:16-19)

There's also much about fairness in business dealings. Just one example below:

"Food gained by fraud tastes sweet, but one ends up with a mouth full of gravel." (Proverbs 20:17)

Vengeance which leads on from that anger is something else, but we're talking here about a businessman solely motivated by greed.

There's been no contrition or remorse, let alone an active repentance in repaying the profits earned from the sale of the Goldstone.

The possibility of forgiveness can only be extended when repentance is sought with appropriate actions. Talk is cheap.

Examples of this might include appropriate compensation, extensive apologies and a change in future behaviour.

If we do something wrong and are genuinely sorry about it, we'll do everything we can to put it right if at all possible.

Over the last 26 years, there's been no evidence of this from Bill Archer.

If Archer feels he doesn't need forgiving by Albion fans, who are we to deny him comfort from chewing gravel?

Fair enough. Looks like hatred is apart of the Christian teachings from what’s been posted above.
Guess I was wrong.

Anyways, I don’t want to get into religion anymore. I’m more of a chakra opening, kundalini awakening fruitloop anyway but I respect all faith and religion. It certainly beats the belief of materialism.

In regards to Archer not apologising, agreed. No apology, no pudding after your dinner!

 

[drew]

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Religion teaches not to hate though? Our country has laws based on Christianity which preaches not to hate. Isn’t not to hate actually one of the 10 commandments?. It’s bizarre how many people associate themselves as religious but excuse their faith when it comes to enjoying football.

PS I’m not religious by the way. Omnism is what I would say I respect.

I'd take issue with that, I would suggest that the laws are based on decency and a moral compass which christianity incorrectly claim is just down to them. Furthermore, your premise that religion teaches not to hate seems to fly in the face of the activities of some religions.

 

[Diallo]

I'd take issue with that, I would suggest that the laws are based on decency and a moral compass which christianity incorrectly claim is just down to them. Furthermore, your premise that religion teaches not to hate seems to fly in the face of the activities of some religions.

I think the religion debate really needs the line to be drawn here now before people start claiming religion encourages hate. It certainly doesn’t.

Let’s just get back to hating Archer

 

[hart's shirt]

Fair enough. Looks like hatred is apart of the Christian teachings from what’s been posted above.
Guess I was wrong.

Anyways, I don’t want to get into religion anymore. I’m more of a chakra opening, kundalini awakening fruitloop anyway but I respect all faith and religion. It certainly beats the belief of materialism.

In regards to Archer not apologising, agreed. No apology, no pudding after your dinner!

There's plenty of things that all people of all faiths or none should rightly hate and failure to do so would be wrong, e.g. racism, social injustice.
Hate itself isn't wrong. It's what we choose to hate and why.

I have no problem with hating to my very core the fact that our club was ravaged by a greedy businessman who had no thought other than to line his own pockets whilst simultaneously destroying a community and setting the club back decades in terms of lost opportunities, revenue and a generation of fans.

If it's any consolation, when it's Bill Archer's time to move to the other side of eternity, he'll leave all his ill-gotten wealth behind.

Shrouds have no pockets.

 

[Horses Arse]

I think the religion debate really needs the line to be drawn here now before people start claiming religion encourages hate. It certainly doesn’t.

Let’s just get back to hating Archer

Have you got two accounts under exactly the same name? Or does teaching not encourage?

Agree with the last bit though.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Never, ever forget.

Had we not scored at Hereford none of you would be posting on here and Mitoma would probably be playing for Newcastle.

A bottle of the finest champers awaits on ice at my gaff for the day the c*** carks it. May it be slow and painful

 

[Weststander]

The County does need to move but ideally on the A27 IMO… Great Western is a good example at Swindon.

As well as a cancer centre, they are also a trauma centre, so access is key.

Hospitals are generally sited nearest the larger population, and although Pease Pottage is accessible, even with a blue light the actual population served would be largely rural.

With a £480m investment, the Royal Sussex will be sited in the heart of the conurbation for generations to come.

@PILTDOWN MAN was referring to cancer services I think.

My brother and cousin had C treatment at Eastbourne, I assume that the large Pembury hospital at Tunbridge Wells serves north east Sussex. Leaving a gap in the middle. I know nothing about the specialists required for a proper C centre, so would it be feasible to site one in that gap?

 

[portlock seagull]

Never, ever forget.

Had we not scored at Hereford none of you would be posting on here and Mitoma would probably be playing for Newcastle.

A bottle of the finest champers awaits on ice at my gaff for the day the c*** carks it. May it be slow and painful

100% this. I might even be the first to dance on his grave.

 

[zefarelly]

I really can't believe the number of people on here saying we wouldn't be where we are now without Archer

Of course we wouldn't. Of course the Goldstone was a shithole with limited scope for development, but it was worth millions which could have provided a springboard for us had it not all gone into someone's back pocket.

Dick and Tony wouldn't have had to waste so much f***ing time, money and energy digging us out of the shithole he left us in. They could have been building for the future far earlier, from a far better position with more money. I can only think that there is some sort of stupidity virus around at the moment

Nailed it.

'Tards everywhere.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

With a £480m investment, the Royal Sussex will be sited in the heart of the conurbation for generations to come.

@PILTDOWN MAN was referring to cancer services I think.

My brother and cousin had C treatment at Eastbourne, I assume that the large Pembury hospital at Tunbridge Wells serves north east Sussex. Leaving a gap in the middle. I know nothing about the specialists required for a proper C centre, so would it be feasible to site one in that gap?

No, because Pembury isn’t a cancer centre and is actually a part of Maidstone & Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust. The actual cancer centre for West Kent is Maidstone. Don’t know a lot of what goes on at Pembury, probably some outpatient clinics

QVH is in East Grinstead, but primarily they are plastics, dermatological and head and neck services. Their H&N and burns service was renowned during the war and they used to have an excellent museum on site.

Re RSCH still poor parking though and a nightmare to get to…..

 

[Diallo]

Nailed it.

'Tards everywhere.

I think it’s more being philosophical rather than praising Archer.

 

[Weststander]

No, because Pembury isn’t a cancer centre and is actually a part of Maidstone & Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust. The actual cancer centre for West Kent is Maidstone. Don’t know a lot of what goes on at Pembury, probably some outpatient clinics

QVH is in East Grinstead, but primarily they are plastics, dermatological and head and neck services. Their H&N and burns service was renowned during the war and they used to have an excellent museum on site.

Re RSCH still poor parking though and a nightmare to get to…..

I know quite a few people in the Crowborough area. Where do they receive cancer care?

 

[zefarelly]

Religion belongs on the history shelf with Fawlty towers scripts and other such fiction.

Archer was the cuntiest of cunty crooked greedy thieving bastards who happily executed a very devious and dastardly deed, an unforgivable crime against the club and community. He is still despised and hated with full justification.

I would punch him in the face very hard if I ever saw him in the street. It'd be worth it.

 

[Weststander]

No, because Pembury isn’t a cancer centre and is actually a part of Maidstone & Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust. The actual cancer centre for West Kent is Maidstone. Don’t know a lot of what goes on at Pembury, probably some outpatient clinics

QVH is in East Grinstead, but primarily they are plastics, dermatological and head and neck services. Their H&N and burns service was renowned during the war and they used to have an excellent museum on site.

Re RSCH still poor parking though and a nightmare to get to…..

It’s not going anywhere so we have deal with what we have.

As a Brightonian whose family have used the RSCH all our lives, it’s fine.

That old chestnut of being boxed in by the sea and downs, as we saw with with the Amex, there were no swathes of available land here to build a new hospital and parking for 1,000’s of staff, patients and visitors.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I know quite a few people in the Crowborough area. Where do they receive cancer care?

Depends on disease site, but they would either go towards Redhill, Maidstone/Brighton or QVH.

The latest diagnostic initiative is Clinical Diagnostic Centres or CDC, so for Crowborough they could go to QVH for a CT/MRI for example or Bexhill. Interestingly, The Amex is a designated site as well, and often during the week there are mobile units on site.

Although there are still cottage hospitals and I believe a private clinic in Crowborough, there is simply not the specialist staff to spread about including nurses. I even wonder whether GP practices will eventually merge and have more nurse led clinics/triage, so only the most complex patients receive a GP discussion.

Ultimately, the NHS will need to move towards a pooled workforce (again IMO).