bigotry and jingoism on the rise

[Milton Keynes Seagull]

Oh and well the Albion play the MK Dons stop off and enjoy a couple of hours in Bury Park in Luton and celebrate diversity there.

By the way there were no BNP/EDL or any other people involved. This is Muslim youth against the police (who are no doubt the bad guys).

YouTube - Bury Park, Luton - muslim Riot 30-08-09

 

[Milton Keynes Seagull]

No I just know a bit about history. And i'm not a hate-filled chump

I suggest you know very little about history, certainly your own country's history.

 

[coventrygull]

No I just know a bit about history. And i'm not a hate-filled chump

and so do I my hate filled friend.

 

[cunning fergus]

Or maybe it's because the native American or Aboriginals had a clearly defined culture for thousands of years. The British Isles on the other hand has had a constantly evolving Native identity. Meaning when people talk about our identity changing intelligent understand that that's happened for years, and nearly all the things that the BNP and right-wing feel proud about being British are a result of our multiculturalism

What do you mean by a constant evolving native identity?

Don't include the Romans, the Vikings, the Danes, the Angles, the Jutes, the Saxons and the Normans in your argument as all of these 'immigrants' invaded all or parts of Britain, generally killed and raped the inhabitants at will and forced their own culture on those who already lived here. I am sure you would agree that National identity does not evolve at the point of a sword or edge of a battleaxe?

So then that accounts for our history up to say 1200-1300 by which time there were no more mass violent invasions and things had largely settled down. A Monarchy was firmly in place albeit that was pretty much the same everywhere in those days.

The country has been a Protestant state pretty much since 1530 (much to the annoyance of a Europe controlled by the Papacy) and Britain was established as a nation with a Parliament in 1707. In 400 years this country has resisted invasions by Spain, France and Germany all which sought to change the national identity of this nation.

So to recap:

Bede was 700AD so England has had a national identity since then at least.
We've been ruled by a Monarchy for well over a 1000 years,
The country had had a Protestant identity for nearly 500 years.
Britain has had a political and national identity for 300 years.

A macro level whistle stop tour of our history I admit, however there is little evidence of a constant evolution of British or even English identity?

In comparison the Germans have only had an identity for a 130 years (have a look at their back catalogue in that period) and the Italians 150 years. Now they can argue they have had a constant evolving identity.

Or maybe I am a bit of a thickie?

 

[looney]

You need to button it Keaton you clueless gimp, the North american Indians have probably the most fluid cultures on the planet.

The Soux nation was only established late 1700's, about 30 years before the white man showed up when the Lakota drove the Cheyenne of the great plains. The Lakota itself although similar dialects is made up of 6 or 7 disperate tribes.

In fact the UK has one of the most static and unchanging cultures in the world, outside oh bhutan maybe.

 

[looney]

As a general rule Island and hill peoples tend to have static cultures wereas, continental peoples tend to be more fluid.

This is down to the ease of migration and invasion, ie geography. A kind of exception would be Japan that has regularly embraced change but even here has had very long periods of little to no change.

This is down to Geography rather than any racial atributes so just suck it up you ignorant leftwing he- bitches.

 

[coventrygull]

I think you are being a bit harsh on Keaton. Everyone knows that the Roman legions were made up of Pakistanis and the first balti house was founded in Chester. Then there was the Africans who were mistaken for being Vikings. They had sailed up from Africa and landed in Norway. Obviously it was too cold. In there attempts to go back home. They landed in England and the rest is History. Viking actually comes from the word f***ing as in its too f***ing cold. That was heard by the local pigmy population. Who had come to Britain to build stonehenge as cheap labour. So called anglo saxons were really chinese and the Normans only invaded Britain to open up kebab shops.

 

[severnside gull]

Oh dear and I suppose it's Nick Griffin and his like that were responsible for this? Stereotyping, and simplistic arguments evinced yet again by the PC brigade on here. This is what both white and black people live with in Luton.

YouTube - The ethnic cleansing of Bury Park - Luton

QED

 

[Chicken Runner61]

I think you are being a bit harsh on Keaton. Everyone knows that the Roman legions were made up of Pakistanis and the first balti house was founded in Chester. Then there was the Africans who were mistaken for being Vikings. They had sailed up from Africa and landed in Norway. Obviously it was too cold. In there attempts to go back home. They landed in England and the rest is History. Viking actually comes from the word f***ing as in its too f***ing cold. That was heard by the local pigmy population. Who had come to Britain to build stonehenge as cheap labour. So called anglo saxons were really chinese and the Normans only invaded Britain to open up kebab shops.

You might well take the piss cov but there were black romans on hadrians wall and there is a football team in Norway called the Bejing vikings made up of descendants of immigrants there.* I should search your own history be quite funny if you weren't as white as you thought.

 

[Two Professors]

I think you are being a bit harsh on Keaton. Everyone knows that the Roman legions were made up of Pakistanis and the first balti house was founded in Chester. Then there was the Africans who were mistaken for being Vikings. They had sailed up from Africa and landed in Norway. Obviously it was too cold. In there attempts to go back home. They landed in England and the rest is History. Viking actually comes from the word f***ing as in its too f***ing cold. That was heard by the local pigmy population. Who had come to Britain to build stonehenge as cheap labour. So called anglo saxons were really chinese and the Normans only invaded Britain to open up kebab shops.

And all those lovely Empire chappies who fought for Labour & Multi-Culturalism in World War 1 were cordially invited to good old England to set up corner shops & kebab houses after the nasty hun were defeated.Rumours that they were shipped straight back where they came from, after hostilities,are a nasty(spell check?) fascist rumour by Griffin's grandad

 

[coventrygull]

You might well take the piss cov but there were black romans on hadrians wall and there is a football team in Norway called the Bejing vikings made up of descendants of immigrants there.* I should search your own history be quite funny if you weren't as white as you thought.

and where were these black Romans from then mate. I didn't hear of many legions going into deepest darkest africa.

Oh and i have researched my own History. Just humble Sussex peasants until one of my ancestors went for the Bright lights of Brighton in 1800. He was a bit of a slum landlord but one of his sons found god and gave all the cash away

 

[coventrygull]

And all those lovely Empire chappies who fought for Labour & Multi-Culturalism in World War 1 were cordially invited to good old England to set up corner shops & kebab houses after the nasty hun were defeated.Rumours that they were shipped straight back where they came from, after hostilities,are a nasty(spell check?) fascist rumour by Griffin's grandad

Keep em coming

The Royal Pavillion is actually a Mosque built by George Bin laden the IV. An ancestor of Osama

 

[Safeway]

As a general rule Island and hill peoples tend to have static cultures wereas, continental peoples tend to be more fluid.

This is down to the ease of migration and invasion, ie geography. A kind of exception would be Japan that has regularly embraced change

I'd beg to differ on that. Japan is pretty intolerant as well. They're just a lot more polite about it.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

and where were these black Romans from then mate. I didn't hear of many legions going into deepest darkest africa.

Oh and i have researched my own History. Just humble Sussex peasants until one of my ancestors went for the Bright lights of Brighton in 1800. He was a bit of a slum landlord but one of his sons found god and gave all the cash away

Now you are being stupid mate.

Surely you know that the Romans conquered Carthage (thats assuming you know where Carthage was/is? I thought you visited there once.

Just in case you don't its Lybia in Africa - thats where the darkies live

Anyway some of the darkies came back to Rome (some even weren't slaves) and consequently fought with the romans as romans. And quite a few fought and lived in the Uk. One even lived in Sussex and had a property owner son and the family became quite rich until a grandson gave all the money away!

 

[coventrygull]

Now you are being stupid mate.

Surely you know that the Romans conquered Carthage (thats assuming you know where Carthage was/is? I thought you visited there once.

Just in case you don't its Lybia in Africa - thats where the darkies live

Anyway some of the darkies came back to Rome (some even weren't slaves) and consequently fought with the romans as romans. And quite a few fought and lived in the Uk. One even lived in Sussex and had a property owner son and the family became quite rich until a grandson gave all the money away!

So are you saying hannibal was a darkie then? Oh and Carthage is in Tunisia. Even though the Romans did hang out in Libya.

 

[looney]

I'd beg to differ on that. Japan is pretty intolerant as well. They're just a lot more polite about it.

i AGREE but change does not equal tolerance, it is posible to change from one kind of insularity to another, for want of a better word.

 

[BadFish]

Living for many years in the heart of a truly multicultural community and married to someone of different ethnicity to myself I am delighted that this reality genuinely reflects much of what has always been great about Britain.

Sadly it remains open to doubt whether that continues to be the case if the level of racism and bigotry displayed on this forum of late is genuinely reflective of the wider society. So far I am encouraged that is not the case. Were it so I would undoubtably be looking to leave and as it stands my engagement with this board will increasingly diminish.

Well said, it saddens me to think this board might be reflective on a wider trend in Britian today. But i suspect it is a few loudmouth morons spouting their hate, intollerence and limited understanding.

 

[coventrygull]

Well said, it saddens me to think this board might be reflective on a wider trend in Britian today. But i suspect it is a few loudmouth morons spouting their hate, intollerence and limited understanding.

Who are you calling a loudmouth moron.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

and where were these black Romans from then mate. I didn't hear of many legions going into deepest darkest africa.

Former slaves or their descendants from Libya , Egypt , Sudan and Ethiopia may have been in the Roman army. They would have been black rather than of North African Arab appearance and so there could be a remote chance they were in Britain instead of fighting the Goths etc in Western Europe.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

So are you saying hannibal was a darkie then? Oh and Carthage is in Tunisia. Even though the Romans did hang out in Libya.

No but he had black fighters. I can't believe you don't know this


Carthage the city is but the Carthage empire was a big place mate it included Lybia and Tunisia -