[Football] Ben White and our Gareth

[AmexRuislip]

I’ve no idea. But I think he is more of a “footballer’s footballer” than Ben White.

I only thought this as he's basically a newcomer to the England set up.
I do hope he does well, but GS does have his faves.

 

[One Love]

Ben was upset with the abuse some of the families of his mates received after the US game. Ironically by the same type of nation border licking degenerates now angry at him for not playing. He felt that if he played and turned bad, it just wasn't worth it. So he went home. Yes he told Steve Holland something like "f*** off, how many are we gonna give em" when they had a 45 minute defensive set piece training session beofre playing Wales but it was nothing really and the truth is Ben dont want his family to get abused so hes saying no to England rn

Can someone translate this for me?

 

[clapham_gull]

Can someone translate this for me?

Chat GPT had a go:

It sounds like Ben is facing a lot of pressure and backlash, both from within the team and from external sources, particularly from fans who may have reacted negatively to England's performance in a recent game. It appears that Ben's decision not to play for England at the moment stems from a desire to protect his family from abuse and possibly from feeling disillusioned with the situation.

The mention of Ben's frustration with the defensive set piece training session before playing Wales suggests that there may have been tensions within the team or dissatisfaction with coaching decisions. Despite this, it seems that Ben's primary concern is the well-being of his family and the negative attention they may receive if he continues to play.

Ultimately, Ben's decision highlights the complex dynamics and pressures that athletes face both on and off the field, including the impact of public scrutiny and personal values.

 

[Easy 10]

I reckon if he could go and live in a rented house or apartment between training sessions / matches - like tennis players do, he’d probably go. But of course that isn’t tenable in a team sport. I genuinely believe it’s all the down time at the hotel and the Team England stuff he can’t stomach.

Could be. But that IS the life of a footballer. When Arsenal go away pre-season, you're living from hotel room to hotel room for a month+. During the season a domestic away game will involve at least 1 night cooped up in a hotel. Europe you're probably looking at 3. This isn't an "alien environment" for the likes of White to walk into.

I just think he can't be arsed. There's tanning salons, hair boutiques and tattoo parlours to visit during his downtime to cultivate his portuguese pirate avatar. He doesn't feel motivated to turn up with the rest of the England goons. At least he's honest - I'd MUCH rather that than him turning up with a cob on, because he can't stand the sight of everyone and just wants to be back at home in stroller flip-flop mode.

Arteta is probably delighted.

 

[One Love]

I reckon if he could go and live in a rented house or apartment between training sessions / matches - like tennis players do, he’d probably go. But of course that isn’t tenable in a team sport. I genuinely believe it’s all the down time at the hotel and the Team England stuff he can’t stomach.

How have you come to this conclusion?

 

[The Cronx Seagull]

Well, lest we recall our "golden generation", who achieved absolutely f-all under Sven and Capello. They inherited arguably a better set of players than Southgate, but the best we ever got under them was a couple of QF failures under Sven, and a L16 under Capello.

How does Southgates record stack up against those two, champ ?

The standard of opposition was far better back then. Sven and Capello would have won that Euro final with the current lot.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

How have you come to this conclusion?

It's a comfort zone thing. Less an issue being away with Arsenal for brief periods but more of an issue for a tournament, especially if you're not close to many in the squad, have social anxiety tendancies/are an introvert as I suspect BW is. At least having separate accommodation would mitigate that to a degree

 

[BiffyBoy100]

The standard of opposition was far better back then. Sven and Capello would have won that Euro final with the current lot.

Agree. I’d also love to see RDZ manage the current England team.

I put him charge on football manager and he played the same style winning everything. No Maguire, no Henderson. March and Dunk both in the squad.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Can someone translate this for me?

Be-en don't like it
Rock the casbah
Rock the casbah

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

For me this is probably it. Personally I could think of little worse than being picked for the Euros and having to spending a month in a hotel with Phil Fodden, Jordan Pickford, Kyle Walker et al, with all their shit ‘lads bantz’ and having to bet a grand or multiples thereof on anything and everything that happens in a day.

I would genuinely hate that and maybe BW feels similarly.

One day you and I should get a room.

Along the corridor from one another. Or on a different floors.

Or even in different hotels.

Winner x

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Well, lest we recall our "golden generation", who achieved absolutely f-all under Sven and Capello. They inherited arguably a better set of players than Southgate, but the best we ever got under them was a couple of QF failures under Sven, and a L16 under Capello.

How does Southgates record stack up against those two, champ ?

Better because whatever one may say about his coaching, he has created a squad ethic.

You can pick the bricks but you can't build anything if you can't mix the mortar.

 

[One Love]

It's a comfort zone thing. Less an issue being away with Arsenal for brief periods but more of an issue for a tournament, especially if you're not close to many in the squad, have social anxiety tendancies/are an introvert as I suspect BW is. At least having separate accommodation would mitigate that to a degree

How have you come to this conclusion?

He hasn't looked anything like an introvert when I've seen him.

 

[Milano]

Slightly off topic but how is Antony Gordon in this England squad? From his reaction I thought he’d wrecked his knee at Chelsea, or did he just not fancy that match?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Guess we will see if it's Southgate when he leaves and if White comes back

If it is Southgate, I find it hard to believe he started the issue, He must have had almost 100 players in his time as England manager and how many have had issues with him?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Quite amazing that so much can be made from someone not wanting to play for England.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Now, I’m not a huge fan of Gareth - a post modern anti Alan Bennet ‘nice’ none northern cliche of a PE teacher…

But I find this all rather odd.

To play for your country is a honour, so suck it up and play for the shirt.

To compound things you’ve got Gareth saying he’s not sure why ?!? Seriously, wtf? Ask the perma-tanned fashion poodle !

I wish people would speak plainly, the modern world is a minefield of people tripping over themselves to be as inoffensive as possible… and that right there is why we’ll never win anything with Gareth at the helm.

Obviously I'm not in the know any more than anyone else but I did read an article that White had an issue with one of the England training coaches (implication was bullying) - if that's true, then "just suck it up" seems a bit harsh - nobody should have to work in a hostile environment.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Obviously I'm not in the know any more than anyone else but I did read an article that White had an issue with one of the England training coaches (implication was bullying) - if that's true, then "just suck it up" seems a bit harsh - nobody should have to work in a hostile environment.

I imagine most teams are run with a degree of bullying. There’s probably enough of it going on at Arsenal so I don’t blame him for time off away from it.

 

[METALMICKY]

Plenty of England cricketers have declined to go on tours, or dropped out, citing "personal reasons" and they don't seem to get too much stick about it. It doesn't mean they don't care about the prestige of playing for their country.

I'm not particularly a fan of White- always comes across as a bit of a My Little Pony to me- but perhaps he's one of those people who really struggles outside of a familiar environment. Maybe he suffers from anxiety, some sort of neurodiversity or mental health issue, and he's not comfortable spending weeks on end with a bunch of blokes he doesn't know that well. I'd be really reluctant to join the pile-on when none of us know what's happening in his world (nor do we have any right to).

That's all very fluffy but the conclusion I would come to he that's the case is that he chose the wrong career.

 

[The Fits]

That's all very fluffy but the conclusion I would come to he that's the case is that he chose the wrong career.

Wish I'd made that terrible career choice.

 

[Baldseagull]

Better because whatever one may say about his coaching, he has created a squad ethic.

You can pick the bricks but you can't build anything if you can't mix the mortar.

If you can mix great mortar but pick inferior bricks, you get a crap building.