[Sussex] Artisan, Shoreham

[Chicken Run]

Lol…noted the ‘’services come in time’’ ..what a relief ..hopefully I’ll still be alive when that happens.

oh and the traffic on the coast road is the same ……maybe thats because its shoved up on to the Upper Shoreham Rd instead ..its definitely busier ..i know because i am on it most of the time for work

yep primary school has vacancies? Probably because they’ve built more portcabin type classrooms on the school playing fields….wonder how much more space for expansion

Doctors surgeries ….lets take that as one example….when i was a kid i can only recall one …then they added the one at Pond Rd …Northbourne (previously on the Tribes site) came along ….but that was ages ago since then there have been several new developments and the current lot on a much bigger scale given the density and height of all those one/two bedroom apartments …..hoping those extra services come soon.

Appearance of the flats who cares? Well you dont youve said so …..but some do ,,,surely appearance counts for something?

I’ve been on those FB threads locally…..and there is another side to your comments….as soon as some query ..objection is put up you get accused of being a nimby or against change etc …i get tired of that as well…something needed and was able to be done on that coast road and west part of town ..its the pace of it …the type etc etc

Have a great day with your warm fingers

What a surprise re the comments eh, i’m only surprised they didn’t call you thick…

As for less congestion due to wfh, that’s disingenuous too, there’s now more congestion post 9:30 as more people are out and about running, errands, popping out to their third visit of the week to Holmbush or running back an endless supply of Amazon returns

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Lol…noted the ‘’services come in time’’ ..what a relief ..hopefully I’ll still be alive when that happens.

oh and the traffic on the coast road is the same ……maybe thats because its shoved up on to the Upper Shoreham Rd instead ..its definitely busier ..i know because i am on it most of the time for work

yep primary school has vacancies? Probably because they’ve built more portcabin type classrooms on the school playing fields….wonder how much more space for expansion

Doctors surgeries ….lets take that as one example….when i was a kid i can only recall one …then they added the one at Pond Rd …Northbourne (previously on the Tribes site) came along ….but that was ages ago since then there have been several new developments and the current lot is on a much bigger scale given the density and height of all those one/two bedroom apartments …..hoping those extra services come soon.

Appearance of the flats who cares? Well you dont youve said so …..but some do ,,,surely appearance counts for something?

I’ve been on those FB threads locally…..and there is another side to your comments….as soon as some query ..objection is put up you get accused of being a nimby or against change etc …i get tired of that as well…something needed and was able to be done on that coast road and west part of town ..its the pace of it …the type etc etc

Have a great day with your warm fingers

But they will? There's no point building a school, doctor's surgery and everything else BEFORE people move in.

The schools I'm on about don't have portacabins. There's just genuine capacity to take on more kids.

I'm not sure what point you're making about the doctors? Yes, there are more places (there are at least two converted residential buildings that we've been to that take up slack), but my point is that we've never failed to get an appointment – and we've had A LOT to get over the past few years. No, it's not perfect and it's not always face-to-face or with our designated doctor, but it's by no means as bad as people make out. There is plenty wrong with the systems in place, but as for getting an actual appointment? Never failed to.

My point about the appearance is that people moan about it when they don't see them regularly. So even if they don't like them, it doesn't directly affect them. Maybe I'm too passive and unbothered about this sort of shit because of other stuff going on in our family, but I just think that the town will always be evolving and people get used to it, even if they don't like it. Sure, that's no reason to accept everything, but, ultimately, what good is it going to do, or difference is it going to make? Ropetackle – the original one – was hated by many, who seemingly preferred an old pub and later a car park. Now, it's provided housing and an entertainment venue that is – I would bet a lot of money – attended by people who opposed it in the first place.

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

As a mere JCL (only 46 (nearly 47) years living in Shoreham-by-Sea, I haven't seen as much development in the town as some people on here. And I'm probably in the minority that I don't really have an issue with it. I was part of the admin team for one of the town's FB groups for a while and got both bored and frustrated with the constant repetition of the same old moans about 'too much development', but also people complaining that the town is dying and needs more people. Posters clearly not making the link between the two.

Then there were people moaning about the new developments (this is probably at the time of the extension of Ropetackle and early plans for the Brighton Road buildings) who, themselves, lived in areas that had ALSO been redeveloped (herb estate, Middle Road, to give two examples).

And as for needing the services to cope with the extra people, that all comes in time. I know for a fact that there is plenty of capacity in at least two of the primary schools in the area and the others have the space to take people on. That's even if the people moving here have kids! And I've lost count the number of times I've been down to Pond Road health centre and seen empty waiting rooms. So there IS the capacity (clearly not in all cases), but a lot of people are quite happy to swallow the narrative that we are full up?

As for the appearance of the flats? Who cares? I'm assuming wherever the people complaining live are happy there and don't live DIRECTLY in the eyeline of these places, so how does it affect them? That was another moan on the FB group – some old bellend living in North Shoreham, who ventured along to, say, B&Q once in a blue moon, complaining that the town was going to be 'overcrowded'. When asked how it would affect them, they couldn't give a reasonable answer.

Congestion? I've said time and time again (probably on this thread – I CBA to check), but when I worked at Halfords in the mid-90s, there was a constant stream of cars along Brighton Road, exactly the same as there is now. The fact that more people work from home, or are hybrid working – plus the development of the A27 – means that it is probably no different and maybe even better.

I just simply can't get worked up about things that are relatively irrelevant to me and I can't do much about. I ADORE this town and can quite easily lose myself in it just wandering around, without being mortally offended by the buildings, the people, the traffic or anything else that I come into contact with.

Sorry – this turned much more ranty than I had originally planned. But at least me gets my fingers warmed up for a whole load more stuff I need to write today.

Peace and love, fellow SBSers xx

I'm not sure that the empty waiting rooms mean there's lots of additional capacity available. We are registered with Northbourne and on the rare occasion I've been into the surgery over the last few years ... yes, the waiting rooms have been quiet. But I think that's because they manage appointments very differently these days. Trying to get an appointment isn't easy and I regularly hear of people being 45th in the queue on the phone.

They encourage people to use E-Consults which are available from 7am until they reach capacity. I've just had a quick look and guess what ... they are at capacity.

All I'm saying is that empty waiting rooms don't mean all is rosey.

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

But they will? There's no point building a school, doctor's surgery and everything else BEFORE people move in.

The schools I'm on about don't have portacabins. There's just genuine capacity to take on more kids.

I'm not sure what point you're making about the doctors? Yes, there are more places (there are at least two converted residential buildings that we've been to that take up slack), but my point is that we've never failed to get an appointment – and we've had A LOT to get over the past few years. No, it's not perfect and it's not always face-to-face or with our designated doctor, but it's by no means as bad as people make out. There is plenty wrong with the systems in place, but as for getting an actual appointment? Never failed to.

My point about the appearance is that people moan about it when they don't see them regularly. So even if they don't like them, it doesn't directly affect them. Maybe I'm too passive and unbothered about this sort of shit because of other stuff going on in our family, but I just think that the town will always be evolving and people get used to it, even if they don't like it. Sure, that's no reason to accept everything, but, ultimately, what good is it going to do, or difference is it going to make? Ropetackle – the original one – was hated by many, who seemingly preferred an old pub and later a car park. Now, it's provided housing and an entertainment venue that is – I would bet a lot of money – attended by people who opposed it in the first place.

There has been an issue re places for senior schools for a number of years with students not being able to get local places and having to go to Worthing.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I'm not sure that the empty waiting rooms mean there's lots of additional capacity available. We are registered with Northbourne and on the rare occasion I've been into the surgery over the last few years ... yes, the waiting rooms have been quiet. But I think that's because they manage appointments very differently these days. Trying to get an appointment isn't easy and I regularly hear of people being 45th in the queue on the phone.

They encourage people to use E-Consults which are available from 7am until they reach capacity. I've just had a quick look and guess what ... they are at capacity.

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All I'm saying is that empty waiting rooms don't mean all is rosey.

That is true – that only tells one side of the story. Having been up to #44 in one of the phone queues (thankfully with the callback system) I know that there is still demand. We've also done countless e-consult forms but, when required, it's resulted in a prompt call back or appointment that day.

 

[LamieRobertson]

But they will? There's no point building a school, doctor's surgery and everything else BEFORE people move in.

The schools I'm on about don't have portacabins. There's just genuine capacity to take on more kids.

I'm not sure what point you're making about the doctors? Yes, there are more places (there are at least two converted residential buildings that we've been to that take up slack), but my point is that we've never failed to get an appointment – and we've had A LOT to get over the past few years. No, it's not perfect and it's not always face-to-face or with our designated doctor, but it's by no means as bad as people make out. There is plenty wrong with the systems in place, but as for getting an actual appointment? Never failed to.

My point about the appearance is that people moan about it when they don't see them regularly. So even if they don't like them, it doesn't directly affect them. Maybe I'm too passive and unbothered about this sort of shit because of other stuff going on in our family, but I just think that the town will always be evolving and people get used to it, even if they don't like it. Sure, that's no reason to accept everything, but, ultimately, what good is it going to do, or difference is it going to make? Ropetackle – the original one – was hated by many, who seemingly preferred an old pub and later a car park. Now, it's provided housing and an entertainment venue that is – I would bet a lot of money – attended by people who opposed it in the first place.

Eh why not build at the same time……and exactly where? ..why not on the same developments (as promised but never fulfilled at Emerald Quay …..How long are we supposed to wait?

If you think that those converted buildings have taken up the slack you are mistaken and thats not just down to some FB chat thats personal experience……they might have more rooms but not sure anyone is in them! I’m glad if you havnt failed to get an appointment….but unfortunately i have…and i know loads that havnt …and thats not being critical of the people who are there…..I’d agree with problems with systems for sure!

Sorry to hear of the ‘other stuff’ …..again i am not against development ….and you are correct re Ropetackle etc…..change is inevitable…fifty years ago where i live there wasnt housing etc etc and i bet people were moaning then and sometimes you just have to go with it….but where you feel it could be done differently then its not wrong to speak out….i go the route of making my feelings known to the local councillor and trying the meetings etc….also to try and get a better understanding than random FB groups….although sometimes its a good way to find things out.



I certainly dont want to fall out with you over it

 

[LamieRobertson]

That is true – that only tells one side of the story. Having been up to #44 in one of the phone queues (thankfully with the callback system) I know that there is still demand. We've also done countless e-consult forms but, when required, it's resulted in a prompt call back or appointment that day.

Good points….just as an aside have you noticed that the e consult seems to be closing earlier these days

 

[Chicken Run]

Eh why not build at the same time……and exactly where? ..why not on the same developments (as promised but never fulfilled at Emerald Quay …..How long are we supposed to wait?

If you think that those converted buildings have taken up the slack you are mistaken and thats not just down to some FB chat thats personal experience……they might have more rooms but not sure anyone is in them! I’m glad if you havnt failed to get an appointment….but unfortunately i have…and i know loads that havnt …and thats not being critical of the people who are there…..I’d agree with problems with systems for sure!

Sorry to hear of the ‘other stuff’ …..again i am not against development ….and you are correct re Ropetackle etc…..change is inevitable and sometimes you just have to go with it….but where you feel it could be done differently then its not wrong to speak out….i go the route of making my feelings known to the local councillor and trying the meetings etc….also to try and get a better understanding than random FB groups….although sometimes its a good way to find things out.

I certainly dont want to fall out with you over it

Developers agree to the outline planning agreements such as a school, shops etc then halfway through the building process successfully re neg and find legal ways to show a school isn’t needed!

Additional housing approved at Toads Hole Valley development

Application to replace proposed secondary school within the Toads Hole Valley development with additional housing approved at Planning Committee.

www.brighton-hove.gov.uk

Developer builds 6,000 homes but backtracks on pledge to contribute to new school and roads

Kent county council threatens legal action against Hodson Developments unless it reinstates earlier agreement to fund infrastructure

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Eh why not build at the same time……and exactly where? ..why not on the same developments (as promised but never fulfilled at Emerald Quay …..How long are we supposed to wait?

If you think that those converted buildings have taken up the slack you are mistaken and thats not just down to some FB chat thats personal experience……they might have more rooms but not sure anyone is in them! I’m glad if you havnt failed to get an appointment….but unfortunately i have…and i know loads that havnt …and thats not being critical of the people who are there…..I’d agree with problems with systems for sure!

Sorry to hear of the ‘other stuff’ …..again i am not against development ….and you are correct re Ropetackle etc…..change is inevitable…fifty years ago where i live there wasnt housing etc etc and i bet people were moaning then and sometimes you just have to go with it….but where you feel it could be done differently then its not wrong to speak out….i go the route of making my feelings known to the local councillor and trying the meetings etc….also to try and get a better understanding than random FB groups….although sometimes its a good way to find things out.



I certainly dont want to fall out with you over it

Likewise.

In truth, I don't have all the answers. But I guess I trust those working on the projects (and that trust might be misplaced sometimes) to know what they are doing. But then I also know there's plenty of skullduggery on one side and pressure to build housing on the other, so I completely understand some of the frustrations.

Regarding the NHS, I fear your pain. We've had plenty of horrendous experiences there (but over in Brighton mainly, not here) and have learned just to carry on battling and fighting to be heard or taken seriously. We shouldn't have to but, as someone once said, it is what it is.

I just bloody love the town and it would take a lot for me to think otherwise.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

If I didn't live in Brighton I'd definitely want to live in Shoreham. The town centre seems to me to be relatively unchanged (apart from maybe the closure of Woolies) and all those new flats seem to me to be all low-rise, non-ugly and half of them have sea/river views to die for. Love that town

 

[LamieRobertson]

If I didn't live in Brighton I'd definitely want to live in Shoreham. The town centre seems to me to be relatively unchanged (apart from maybe the closure of Woolies) and all those new flats seem to me to be all low-rise, non-ugly and half of them have sea/river views to die for. Love that town

I love living here ..despite my reservations which I’m not going to air again and bore you to death ..as regards to appearance I guess it’s all opinion ….sea/river view …road side

 

[LamieRobertson]

Likewise.

In truth, I don't have all the answers. But I guess I trust those working on the projects (and that trust might be misplaced sometimes) to know what they are doing. But then I also know there's plenty of skullduggery on one side and pressure to build housing on the other, so I completely understand some of the frustrations.

Regarding the NHS, I fear your pain. We've had plenty of horrendous experiences there (but over in Brighton mainly, not here) and have learned just to carry on battling and fighting to be heard or taken seriously. We shouldn't have to but, as someone once said, it is what it is.

I just bloody love the town and it would take a lot for me to think otherwise.

In total agreement ..especially the town …and I’m not going anywhere even if I could

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

I love living here ..despite my reservations which I’m not going to air again and bore you to death ..as regards to appearance I guess it’s all opinion ….sea/river view …road side

If I didn't live in Brighton I'd definitely want to live in Shoreham. The town centre seems to me to be relatively unchanged (apart from maybe the closure of Woolies) and all those new flats seem to me to be all low-rise, non-ugly and half of them have sea/river views to die for. Love that town

The new flats might be ‘low-rise’ by Brighton standards, but they’re still big enough to obliterate our view of the Downs from the back of our house. But that’s progress for you Photo taken 5 mins ago.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The new flats might be ‘low-rise’ by Brighton standards, but they’re still big enough to obliterate our view of the Downs from the back of our house. But that’s progress for you Photo taken 5 mins ago.

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Goid point, well made

Tho low-rise housing has to go somewhere. And you still have somewhere lovely to live

 

[LamieRobertson]

Goid point, well made

Tho low-rise housing has to go somewhere. And you still have somewhere lovely to live

Absolutely right …and not wanting to labour the point but how about a mixed development to satisfy everyone’s needs ..now I’ll shut up

 

[LamieRobertson]

The new flats might be ‘low-rise’ by Brighton standards, but they’re still big enough to obliterate our view of the Downs from the back of our house. But that’s progress for you Photo taken 5 mins ago.

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Were you standing on the roof taking that photo

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

Goid point, well made

Tho low-rise housing has to go somewhere. And you still have somewhere lovely to live

Of course I have somewhere to live … and I’m not one that’s been shouting and screaming about Shoreham falling into a cesspit or similar. I’m just trying to give a real life perspective having lived in Shoreham since I moved to Sussex in 1991. I’ve moved house twice since 1991 but remained in Shoreham as we do love it here.

I wouldn’t call the flats along Brighton Road low-rise. In terms of planning, my understanding is that nothing in Shoreham is supposed to be taller than St Mary’s Church. Some of these developments have pushed things right to the limit … possibly beyond. People camped out in a poplar next to the Duke of Ellington pub for 250 days as the developers of the block of flats on the plot behind where the old council building used to be wanted to hack it down. In the end the ’Shoreham Poplar Front’ won out and plans were redrawn. If you read the article, you’ll see that the original support for keeping the tree was huge - but local voices were ignored. I doubt the developers - or council - anticipated what was going to happen next. Developers and the council need to try and take local people with them.

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

Were you standing on the roof taking that photo

We live in a three story townhouse

 

[Greg Bobkin]

If I didn't live in Brighton I'd definitely want to live in Shoreham. The town centre seems to me to be relatively unchanged (apart from maybe the closure of Woolies) and all those new flats seem to me to be all low-rise, non-ugly and half of them have sea/river views to die for. Love that town

Back in the day, Mrs B (who wasn't Mrs B then) lived in Brighton and I was in SBS. We almost moved to a one-bed flat in Brighton, mainly because it was in Brighton and we were young and more exciting back then. Because the process was taking months, we looked back in SBS and we could get a three-bed house for the same money. It was a no-brainer and, three houses later, we're still here.

I ran around the place this morning and thought about this thread and the comments on it. Yeah, I get the opposition to the development and concerns about overcrowding, but I can easily lose myself in the relative quiet of the beach, the downs, or even – at times – the riverbank. Wandering near the airport brings the added bonus of a view of the training ground in the distance

 

[LamieRobertson]

Of course I have somewhere to live … and I’m not one that’s been shouting and screaming about Shoreham falling into a cesspit or similar. I’m just trying to give a real life perspective having lived in Shoreham since I moved to Sussex in 1991. I’ve moved house twice since 1991 but remained in Shoreham as we do love it here.

I wouldn’t call the flats along Brighton Road low-rise. In terms of planning, my understanding is that nothing in Shoreham is supposed to be taller than St Mary’s Church. Some of these developments have pushed things right to the limit … possibly beyond. People camped out in a poplar next to the Duke of Ellington pub for 250 days as the developers of the block of flats on the plot behind where the old council building used to be wanted to hack it down. In the end the ’Shoreham Poplar Front’ won out and plans were redrawn. If you read the article, you’ll see that the original support for keeping the tree was huge - but local voices were ignored. I doubt the developers - or council - anticipated what was going to happen next. Developers and the council need to try and take local people with them.

Oh I remember that well ..nearly unintentionally ran one of them over ..as the protest over spilled into the road ..I’m sure one of them put my details down in their little black book
Power to the people