Argus: Hammond wants to play in Championship

[The Large One]

But dont want to persist too much with this but you said It is a very dangerous and irresponsible game to play and I am glad we are not doing that. your undoubted view is that you feel that Brighton could not afford this player, some other peoples view is that some beleive they could of afforded it.

That my friend is NOT neutral its your view which is different to mine.

That's fair enough, but let me ask you this...

What evidence (and I'm not interested in your 'belief') do you have that we can afford whatever Dean Hammond is asking for? And if that's a bad example (seeing as money may or may not be the central issue), how about the same question regarding the Bas scenario?

 

[the wanderbus]

From the BBC


Brighton reject bid for skipper
Brighton have turned down a bid from an unnamed Championship club for their captain Dean Hammond.
Albion say they might now have to sell the midfielder during the transfer window to avoid him leaving on a free.

Chairman Dick Knight told BBC Southern Counties: "We want him to stay. We've moved heaven and earth to keep him, but the club will not be held to ransom."

Hammond, who is highly rated by manager Dean Wilkins, could leave the Seagulls for nothing in the summer.

Knight added: "He must make a decision by the end of this month or we will not get a penny for him. If we don't hear very soon, we will have no option but to make him available for transfer if he's not prepared to sign."

Sell him now,take as much as we can get for him & reinvest in another midfielder of a similar pedigree as Thomson( a ready made replacement as captain once he's settled) I cant believe we'll get 100 per cent out of Hammond all the time he's " in the shop window" after all why would he risk injury wrecking a possible lucretive move?

 

[Perry Milkins]

He is at best clumsy and at worst incompitent when it comes with dealing with players contracts.

If that is so then he must have struggled to negotiate good commercial contracts in order to make such a success of his business interests outside fotball. A strange conundrum indeed.

 

[BigGully]

That's fair enough, but let me ask you this...

What evidence (and I'm not interested in your 'belief') do you have that we can afford whatever Dean Hammond is asking for? And if that's a bad example (seeing as money may or may not be the central issue), how about the same question regarding the Bas scenario?

I have got to say that it is my belief.

Bas I reckon was offered terms that were a tiny ( and I mean tiny ) increase on his last deal that had run out.

In that time he had contributed well to the team and I think most would of liked him to stay and that offer was seen as derisory.

Then there was an increase in the offer which resulted in a counter demand.

Then an impasse ........ that I am sure could of been resolved with little more negotiation. Bas is as much to blame as DK in my opinion, however a more conciliatory approach would help.

With Hammond it is different, I have said some time ago that DK personally is not a great fan of Hammond although the staff are big big fans.

The perception is that they have dragged their feet on offering Hammond not just a good new contract but some supporting words would of been nice.

Glib words and ultimatums of decision to key players are not the work of a great Chairman.

 

[BigGully]

I have got to say that it is my belief.

Bas I reckon was offered terms that were a tiny ( and I mean tiny ) increase on his last deal that had run out.

In that time he had contributed well to the team and I think most would of liked him to stay and that offer was seen as derisory.

Then there was an increase in the offer which resulted in a counter demand.

Then an impasse ........ that I am sure could of been resolved with little more negotiation. Bas is as much to blame as DK in my opinion, however a more conciliatory approach would help.

With Hammond it is different, I have said some time ago that DK personally is not a great fan of Hammond although the staff are big big fans.

The perception is that they have dragged their feet on offering Hammond not just a good new contract but some supporting words would of been nice.

Glib words and ultimatums of decision to key players are not the work of a great Chairman.

Oh I forgot ............... that is my belief

 

[BigGully]

If that is so then he must have struggled to negotiate good commercial contracts in order to make such a success of his business interests outside fotball. A strange conundrum indeed.

Not really the commercial world and the world of professional football have wholly different dynamics.

 

[Titanic]

I have got to say that it is my belief.

Bas I reckon was offered terms that were a tiny ( and I mean tiny ) increase on his last deal that had run out.

In that time he had contributed well to the team and I think most would of liked him to stay and that offer was seen as derisory.

Then there was an increase in the offer which resulted in a counter demand.

Then an impasse ........ that I am sure could of been resolved with little more negotiation. Bas is as much to blame as DK in my opinion, however a more conciliatory approach would help.

With Hammond it is different, I have said some time ago that DK personally is not a great fan of Hammond although the staff are big big fans.

The perception is that they have dragged their feet on offering Hammond not just a good new contract but some supporting words would of been nice.

Glib words and ultimatums of decision to key players are not the work of a great Chairman.

Do you have any real source to add credibility to this reading of the process... or is it just what you think goes on?

 

[BigGully]

I take the comments made by Knight on the radio as an advertisment to other clubs that Hammond is available. Unless he signs a new contract with us in the next few days (which won't happen), we want to get rid now and salvage a bit of money. I think we would accept as little as £50k to be honest, as that's a lot to a club like ours, even if it's not Hammond's true worth. It's not unreasonable to think that someone will pay it either. Thank god we signed Thomson!

I just cant see why he would want to move now, as any fee would in effect be taken from his personal package.

Best wait and go at the end of the season and get his full amount.

 

[The Large One]

I have got to say that it is my belief.

Bas I reckon was offered terms that were a tiny ( and I mean tiny ) increase on his last deal that had run out.

In that time he had contributed well to the team and I think most would of liked him to stay and that offer was seen as derisory.

Then there was an increase in the offer which resulted in a counter demand.

Then an impasse ........ that I am sure could of been resolved with little more negotiation. Bas is as much to blame as DK in my opinion, however a more conciliatory approach would help.

With Hammond it is different, I have said some time ago that DK personally is not a great fan of Hammond although the staff are big big fans.

The perception is that they have dragged their feet on offering Hammond not just a good new contract but some supporting words would of been nice.

Glib words and ultimatums of decision to key players are not the work of a great Chairman.

So you admit yourself - you don't know.

Thank you.

 

[Easy 10]

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[The Large One]

If he always says it, why does he find the need to say it again ?

Because, it seems, there are far too many people not prepared to believe him despite him repeating it, and indeed take upon themselves to pass judgements on his dealings regarding player contracts without knowing the full story.

 

[Easy 10]

Thank god we signed Thomson!

No.
Thank DICK.

 

[Brightonfan1983]

The agent is treating us all like morons. What an irrelevant man.

 

[Perry Milkins]

Not really the commercial world and the world of professional football have wholly different dynamics.

Not from where I sit. A player is an asset and a commodity, he has a value to one side a self value and a different value to another party who wants to control that asset. Add in short contracts and the Bosman ruling and you have a fluctuating market place with real commercial issues.

 

[WATFORD zero]

You've got me wondering now BigGully - someone with experience in the commercial world and the professional football world who believes they know what is happening in these negotiations (through 'your belief')



Are you Doris Stokes ?

 

[Easy 10]

Can't we thank Michel too?

We most certainly can. In fact I think we should all pay daily homage to the legendary elaborately braided dutchman. But thats another thread for another day.

 

[Knotty]

Because, it seems, there are far too many people not prepared to believe him despite him repeating it, and indeed take upon themselves to pass judgements on his dealings regarding player contracts without knowing the full story.

TLO, I have tried to get BigGully to see that passing judgements and criticising without knowledge of the facts carries no credence but he doesn't agree. He is entitled not to agree but, for me, it totally devalues his anti-DK comments.

Maybe you will fare better!