Are we still a European force?

[User removed 4]

Just as long as you forward the money for the massive infrastructure investment first

why on earth would we do that ?

 

[User removed 4]

What, you've dropped a notch from apoplectic to incandescent ?

 

[Simster]

Even the newish NSC smilies are shit.

 

[User removed 4]

Dont judge europe by the right-wing nutters, loons and crazies you probably come across and befriend. Whatever little pocket of cranks you wish to highlight you cannot get away from the fact that each country you mention all democratically elected a goverment which, in general, integrates. As I say, it's not a perfect integration but there is a general will and it is evident time and time again.

leave off, all these people i mentioned have active animosity, its nowhere near confined to the right wing cliches you mention.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

why on earth would we do that ?

Payoff for the robbed oil revenue?

 

[sten_super]

leave off, all these people i mentioned have active animosity, its nowhere near confined to the right wing cliches you mention.

Come on bushy, it's not like any of these countries (take Belgium, for example) has no active government because the country is split down the middle between separatists and non-separatists, is it now?

 

[User removed 4]

Payoff for the robbed oil revenue?

We robbed nothing , most of it was ours anyway , under nautical law the sea border follows the sanme angle as the land border, it was never scotlands anyway.

 

[User removed 4]

Come on bushy, it's not like any of these countries (take Belgium, for example) has no active government because the country is split down the middle between separatists and non-separatists, is it now?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Come on bushy, it's not like any of these countries has no active government because the country is split down the middle between separatists and non-separatists, is it now?

Quite.

 

[Storer 68]

no
we are now a European farce

 

[User removed 4]

Quite.

Not sure if you've been wooshed or are trying to compare us to belgium, who really dont have any active government, whatever you think of the coalition, it doesnt fall into that category.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

We robbed nothing , most of it was ours anyway , under nautical law the sea border follows the sanme angle as the land border, it was never scotlands anyway.

It was as much of a robbery as the Albion's win against Forest the other week. And you know it.

 

[User removed 4]

It was as much of a robbery as the Albion's win against Forest the other week. And you know it.

Strongly disagree, and i didnt see the game against forest.

 

[Storer 68]

Not sure if you've been wooshed or are trying to compare us to belgium, who really dont have any active government, whatever you think of the coalition, it doesnt fall into that category.

Belgium doesn't have ANY sort of government, and hasn't for some considerable time (perhaps over a year but I'm not checking)

 

[User removed 4]

Belgium doesn't have ANY sort of government, and hasn't for some considerable time (perhaps over a year but I'm not checking)

Which is stens point exactly.

 

[vegster]

Belgium doesn't have ANY sort of government, and hasn't for some considerable time (perhaps over a year but I'm not checking)

Just as long as the Belgian brewing industry maintains current production, who cares ?

 

[Storer 68]

Not sure if you've been wooshed or are trying to compare us to belgium, who really dont have any active government, whatever you think of the coalition, it doesnt fall into that category.

The coalition isn't really active. the Conservatives are tho......................................

Clegg is irrelevant
Cable has been sidelined after the Murdoch fiasco lact Cristmas
Danny Alexander is ignored at the Treasury

and all the rest (Baker, Burstow, Brown etc) are all merely junior ministers.

 

[Storer 68]

Belgium doesn't have ANY sort of government, and hasn't for some considerable time (perhaps over a year but I'm not checking)

Bugger this. Look at that. As soon as I pontificate on something I know a little about, they smack you in the face by swearing in a Prime Miniister

Belgium swears in new gov'tBy CLAIRE ROSEMBERGDecember 13, 2011, 2:00amBRUSSELS, Belgium (AFP) — Belgium finally swore in a prime minister and Cabinet on Tuesday after a record-breaking 541 days without a government but they face an uphill battle to tackle problems at the root of the deadlock.

“I swear fidelity to the king, obedience to the constitution and to the laws of the Belgian people,’’ Prime Minister Elio Di Rupo said in the country’s three languages – French, Dutch, and German – with his right hand raised.

The ceremony, led by King Albert II at his palace, ends one of Belgium’s bleakest moments, an 18-month marathon of political haggling in which the monarch worked to steer feuding politicians back to the negotiating table.

 

[sten_super]

Belgium doesn't have ANY sort of government, and hasn't for some considerable time (perhaps over a year but I'm not checking)

Until recently, Belgium had a government, but they had no power. As such, all they were doing was signing off budgets similar to last year. The people loved it because it's damned hard to introduce austerity when there's no-one with any power to sign it off. As bushy says, that was exactly my point - for HT to suggest that it's all lovely dovey in Europe and everyone wants integration is simply nonsense. The entire reason for the standoff is that the Flemish equivalent of the SNP hold a majority in the Flemish part of the country, and want independence from Wallonia, which the other half don't want (understandably, given that they'd lose Brussels into the bargain).

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Dont judge europe by the right-wing nutters, loons and crazies you probably come across and befriend. Whatever little pocket of cranks you wish to highlight you cannot get away from the fact that each country you mention all democratically elected a goverment which, in general, integrates. As I say, it's not a perfect integration but there is a general will and it is evident time and time again.

The voters of Greece and Italy did not elect the current governments - the EU placed so much pressure on the PMs that the governments switched. In the case of the Greeks, the EU didn't like that the PM wanted to consult his people DEMOCRATICALLY about the deal on the table. The EU is corrupt and undemocratic and hates anyone who questions its authority.