[Football] Are Man U really in danger of getting relegated?

[Kit Napper]

Yes it's conceivable that Man Utd will get relegated because there's a scenario in which they have a total meltdown while Ipswich (or maybe Leicester) really get their act together. It's probably no more than a 2% likelihood though unfortunately.

 

[Lethargic]

Unfortunately not but here's hoping.

 

[Weststander]

In the current set up of football with its bias towards the top clubs it is incredible that a club the size of man u are doing so badly (and hilarious obviously).

Alex Ferguson is an absolute genius, not only for what he achieved while manager but also his ability to so successfully poison the well so noone could emulate his success. And they kept employing him. And the they named a stand after him.

The ineptitude at old Trafford is staggering. We really deserve a documentary about how badly run the club are and a seperately one of interviews with their glory hunting fans expressing dismay at the crock of shit they chose to hitch their wagon to.

Glorious.

I almost feel sorry for them.

12 seasons of jumping from pillar to post with bird brain plans. Ole the players and media mate, hand all transfer activity to Ten Hag to sign a load of Eredivisie connected players at silly fees, hire Rangnick midseason to identify the poison and the incompetent but then ignore his findings, give the disciplinarian/narcissist Mourinho a go (wisely he just stayed at a hotel). Scouting seems to be based on Teamtalk and CaughtOffside … note who Liverpool, Arsenal and ManC are after then outbid them with huge contracts … players the other clubs weren’t looking at in the first place. Award huge new contracts to the likes of Maguire, Phil Jones, Martial. Without the measure of a Tony Bloom.

 

[BadFish]

12 seasons of jumping from pillar to post with bird brain plans. Ole the players and media mate, hand all transfer activity to Ten Hag to sign a load of Eredivisie connected players at silly fees, hire Rangnick midseason to identify the poison and the incompetent but then ignore his findings, the disciplinarian Mourinho. Scouting seems to be based on Teamtalk and CaughtOffside … note who Liverpool, Arsenal and ManC are after then outbid them with huge contracts … players the other clubs weren’t looking at in the first place. Award huge new contracts to the likes of Maguire, Phil Jones, Martial. Without the measure of a Tony Bloom.

Watching this, it's quite fun.

 

[BNthree]

The Super League would be the best thing to ever happen to football imho.

I'm struggling to think of one really big European club that I wouldn't want to f*** off to the Super League and stay there.

Only trouble is they want to stay in their domestic leagues too. If they were to all sod off to a super league I’d be more than happy

 

[Weststander]

Watching this, it's quite fun.

Part way through it. Outsiders need to wary of the propaganda blaming the Glazer’s monies drawn for everything under the Sun (Gary Neville is obsessed). It is true that they’ve drawn significant interest etc, but the player spend since 2013 is joint equal top for any club on the planet with ManC.

The Glazer’s failing imho is appointing incompetent senior executives to run it top down. It can be done from across the Atlantic, FSG at Liverpool and Kroenke at Arsenal show that. A proper long term business plan, unwavering to outside pressures such as fans groups demanding to spend like Chelsea and ….. ManU.

 

[Weststander]

Only trouble is they want to stay in their domestic leagues too. If they were to all sod off to a super league I’d be more than happy/QUOTE]

Then there’d be a question of clubs who consider themselves huge, but might or might not be invited. Villa, Everton, Newcastle. If not invited, Villa and Newcastle would imho envisage carving up every PL title forever. Whilst finishing 2nd to 5th would never give the Albion CL riches.

Complicated isn’t it!

 

[BadFish]

Part way through it. Outsiders need to wary of the propaganda blaming the Glazer’s monies drawn for everything under the Sun (Gary Neville is obsessed). It is true that they’ve drawn significant interest etc, but the player spend since 2013 is joint equal top for any club on the planet with ManC.

The Glazer’s failing imho is appointing incompetent senior executives to run it top down. It can be done from across the Atlantic, FSG at Liverpool and Kroenke at Arsenal show that. A proper long term business plan, unwavering to outside pressures such as fans groups demanding to spend like Chelsea and ….. ManU.

I agree re the glaziers spending. They have spent enough money to be successful, it has just been spent really badly.

The Ralph Ranwick thing is interesting to me. Utter madness to sack him when they didn't like his findings.

I wonder if something similar has happened with Dan Ashworth. I am guessing his ideas for running a football club are different to Radcliffe.

 

[Weststander]

I agree re the glaziers spending. They have spent enough money to be successful, it has just been spent really badly.

The Ralph Ranwick thing is interesting to me. Utter madness to sack him when they didn't like his findings.

I wonder if something similar has happened with Dan Ashworth. I am guessing his ideas for running a football club are different to Radcliffe.

Ashworth went up in my estimation with this (obviously don’t know whether pushed or mutual). He’s rich, why endure the madness? Bloom gives people real responsibility without meddling, I wonder if Ratcliffe/Brailsford are more “My way or the highway” autocrats?

 

[Sussexscots]

It's possible. Quite apart from an unbalanced squad he's inherited from ten Hag, Amorim appears irrevocably wedded to a system that he doesn't have the players to make work.

At some point, he'll have to change and they'll likely pick up enough to survive. Van Nistelrooy made them less incompetent in his short tenure.

The money they have wasted is staggering though. They have also lumbered themselves with the likes of Shaw and Mount on long term contracts who are never fit.

 

[BadFish]

Ashworth went up in my estimation with this (obviously don’t know whether pushed or mutual). He’s rich, why endure the madness? Bloom gives people real responsibility without meddling, I wonder if Ratcliffe/Brailsford are more “My way or the highway” autocrats?

Yeah that's my guess. I imagine that Ashworth came up with ideas, improvements and strategies that didn't fit with Radcliffe's vision. Which seems to be completely nuts from the outside looking in.

Long may the basket case continue.

 

[bluenitsuj]

No

 

[A1X]

The Glazer’s failing imho is appointing incompetent senior executives to run it top down. It can be done from across the Atlantic, FSG at Liverpool and Kroenke at Arsenal show that. A proper long term business plan, unwavering to outside pressures such as fans groups demanding to spend like Chelsea and ….. ManU.

Exactly this. We ourselves are proof that you can achieve things even on a (relatively) modest budget if the back office stuff is functioning as it should and there’s a clear direction of travel. Whereas Man Utd have all the money in the world but are a total shambles off the field.

Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal have all sorted out their “behind the curtains” stuff and are reaping the rewards as a result over the last few years.

 

[clapham_gull]

Surely the beeb have outdone themselves here?!

It was based on a comment by the manager.

 

[Giraffe]

I just can’t see the bottom three being consistent enough to catch them sadly. They’ve got too many points in the bag.

 

[Taybha]

Even if they were relegated by say 1 point the team just above them would be instantly docked 2 points,tis but the way of things in the EPL.

 

[Soton Seagull]

Not really but the Manc meltdown is magnificent.

 

[Mancgull]

Hopefully, but unlikely.
The misplaced arrogance of Ratcliffe would deserve a relegation.

 

[oldboyroy]

Would be funny if they did but of course they won't, not a chance. Think they'll end up between 10th to 15th at worst.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

No. They'd need to get something like 10 points or less from the second half of the season to be relegated. The best we can hope for is that they finish round about where they are now, IMO.