Are conspiracy theories destroying democracy?

[gumbo43]

Dont know the answer to that one, but think It's a conspiracy.....

 

[symyjym]

 

[Goldstone76]

make up your mind, was it explosives of thermite?

if explosives can you please explain the lack of any explosions at the time of collaspe. if termite can you please explain the lack of visual effect of thermite, or indeed present actual evidence of its use beyond inference from pictures of plasma cutting taken weeks after the event (it should be easy, there would be tons of the stuff and easily spread over the city, to be found and indepedently verified as thermite).

could you also confirm you believe that the fire department was in on the conspriacy to bring down WTC7, as they decided the fire was too strong to tackle and withdrew; and provide your evidence that the fire wasnt hot enough to create sufficient structral fatigue to precipitate a collapse.

you might also like to tell us roughly, as a indication of their expertise, what % of the US architects and engineers have signed up to the AE911 group (we'll overlook anyone with a degree can signup even if not architects or engineers. it wont make any meaningful signficant difference to the number).

Thermite has been found and this is a fact.. Im sure the fire dept wasnt in on the plan as many of them are actually calling for the truth to come out. Its up to you what you believe but I truly think that those who have lost their lives on that terrible day and since then deserve the benefit of the doubt and a real, unbiased world investigation into that day..

 

[Goldstone76]

I dont think your taking this seriously.. stay in your little world of La La.. all is good and governments dont lie and cheat. The USA protects us from those nasty terrorists and the world is a far safer place since Uncle Sam started to look after our interests..

People who question the official government PR crap thats fed to us will always be called conspiracy theorists. Its essential for democracy for the people to question everything.. When people stop asking questions then politicians will get away with murder (.. but they already are!).. Baaaaaaa.......

 

[Guinness Boy]

Im guessing your not aware that explosives can be detonated in a number of ways. A pre set option to detonate from floor x to floor z then from below x in sequence for example. Can you explain the existence of nano thermite or why building 7 freefalled and it wasnt even hit. Please dont use the excuse that fire made building 7 collapse as that has never happened and fire isnt hot enough to turn metal to butter.

Heres a list of which agencys were in building 7..

Tenant Square Feet Floor Industry
Salomon Smith Barney 1,202,900 GRND,1-6,13,18-46 Financial Institution
IRS Regional Council 90,430 24, 25 Government
U.S. Secret Service 85,343 9,10 Government
C.I.A. N/A N/A Government
American Express Bank International 106,117 7,8,13 Financial Institution
Standard Chartered Bank 111,398 10,13,26,27 Financial Institution
Provident Financial Management 9,000 7,13 Financial Institution
ITT Hartford Insurance Group 122,590 19-21 [Insurance]
First State Management Group, Inc 4,000 21 Insurance
Federal Home Loan Bank 47,490 22 Financial Institution
NAIC Securities 22,500 19 Insurance
Securities & Exchange Commission 106,117 11,12,13 Government
Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt 45,815 23 Government

Now question what documents and 'potential evidence' was lost because of building 7's demolishment. Apart from a reason to go to war against the so called terrorists it also meant a huge income to defence contractors (Rumsfeld for example was a beneficiary) but also it meant the bringing in of the Homeland Security Act that has in turn made the USA a police state by default. As the years roll by we hear that the USA is spying on everyone.. that there is a subculture of government dealings that is anything but democratic. We live in a worse place now than pre 911. For those who are open minded enough to ask questions of government and for the government to not 'open the books' we can only assume they have something to hide.

“He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999, It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ And he said, ‘My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.’ He said, ‘If I have a chance to invade….if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency.” Journalist and author Mickey Herskowitz

Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father’s shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. “Suddenly, he’s at 91 percent in the polls, and he’d barely crawled out of the bunker.”

Make of the facts both individually and as a sum as you will.. facts are facts and the most glaring fact of all is the cost of the 911 Commission report of the events that surrounded 911..

Amount of money allocated for the 1986 Challenger disaster investigation: $75 million
Amount of money allocated for the 2004 Columbia disaster investigation: $50 million
Amount of money allocated for Clinton-Lewinsky investigation: $40 million
Amount of money allocated for the 9/11 Commission: $14 million

When you go out and socialise with people at, say, a pub or club or restaurant and you tell them this stuff do you find they believe you instantly, do they point out the obvious flaws, or do they sort of glaze over and change the subject? Or don't you get out much?

 

[symyjym]

I dont think your taking this seriously.. stay in your little world of La La.. all is good and governments dont lie and cheat. The USA protects us from those nasty terrorists and the world is a far safer place since Uncle Sam started to look after our interests..

People who question the official government PR crap thats fed to us will always be called conspiracy theorists. Its essential for democracy for the people to question everything.. When people stop asking questions then politicians will get away with murder (.. but they already are!).. Baaaaaaa.......

That is exactly what I expect from someone who believes in all the conspiracies in 911.

Do you believe the planes were also carrying napalm?

Edit: And I don't believe that all is good and governments dont lie and cheat, I know they do.

 

[RexCathedra]

You can't refute a theology.

 

[Socialist Sid]

I do not know about anyone else, but i cannot take anything seriously that has a spelling mistake in the first frame. So that is as far as I got.

That's ridiculous.

If you understood his spelling error then you understood what he meant.

By the way, it's a capital I, not i.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

No. Democracy is being destroyed by the people at the top of the pile who only care about their own interests and not the interests and needs of the people.

 

[Goldstone76]

When you go out and socialise with people at, say, a pub or club or restaurant and you tell them this stuff do you find they believe you instantly, do they point out the obvious flaws, or do they sort of glaze over and change the subject? Or don't you get out much?

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

[Goldstone76]

That is exactly what I expect from someone who believes in all the conspiracies in 911.

Do you believe the planes were also carrying napalm?

Edit: And I don't believe that all is good and governments dont lie and cheat, I know they do.

Please go and read about 911 .. its obvious that your lacking knowledge other than what you read in The Daily Mail

 

[Guinness Boy]

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. Martin Luther King, Jr.

That's a quote not an answer.

 

[Goldstone76]

That's a quote not an answer.

You cant argue with stupidity and ignorance..

 

[LargeHadronZugzwang]

No. Democracy is being destroyed by the people at the top of the pile who only care about their own interests and not the interests and needs of the people.

Well said, the point I was driving at.

 

[symyjym]

You can't refute a theology.

Theology is about reasoning. I've looked at all the arguments on both sides of 911 and I have come to a conclusion of it being far fetched, through having an open mind.

An example of this is that I do believe the Boston Bombing looked a little set up, and the Sandy Hook "parents" and "families" came over a little bit rehearsed, with Robbie Parker standing out the most. I do not believe that anyone died in these events, apart from the people who were set up and accused of the incidents.

Unfortunately die hard conspiracy theorist will not doubt any theory, and they treat them as equal without differentiating between them. It's more of a case of them saying, "Well if that one is true, all the others must be".

 

[symyjym]

Please go and read about 911 .. its obvious that your lacking knowledge other than what you read in The Daily Mail

Avoiding my question and insulting me is not debate.

Let's try again; Do you believe the planes were also carrying napalm?

 

[Franks Wild Years]

You cant argue with stupidity and ignorance..

No shit Sherlock.

 

[Goldstone76]

Theology is about reasoning. I've looked at all the arguments on both sides of 911 and I have come to a conclusion of it being far fetched, through having an open mind.

An example of this is that I do believe the Boston Bombing looked a little set up, and the Sandy Hook "parents" and "families" came over a little bit rehearsed, with Robbie Parker standing out the most. I do not believe that anyone died in these events, apart from the people who were set up and accused of the incidents.

Unfortunately die hard conspiracy theorist will not doubt any theory, and they treat them as equal without differentiating between them. It's more of a case of them saying, "Well if that one is true, all the others must be".

From the grand master of government manipulation.. “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels

So when exactly did governments stop telling lies? Watergate.. The Iran/Contra scandal? The people at the top (governments to multi nationals) lie.. and thats a fact thats proved year after year.. its part of the human condition.

 

[beorhthelm]

Thermite has been found and this is a fact.. Im sure the fire dept wasnt in on the plan as many of them are actually calling for the truth to come out. Its up to you what you believe but I truly think that those who have lost their lives on that terrible day and since then deserve the benefit of the doubt and a real, unbiased world investigation into that day..

6 minutes talking about molten steel, was this supposed to prove something? you suggest theres a link to thermite, but its neither discussing it or offers any evidence of thermite. come on, this should be really easy for you, there would have been tons of thermite used to conduct a controlled demolition. or as usual for a "truther" are you just going to post another youtube clip of unverified or unrelated "evidence" that doesnt answer the question posed.

(and yes, i know the man was being evasive and didnt answer the question, didnt know about the molten metal, but i didnt ask you about molten metal)

 

[symyjym]

Do I have to ask you for a third time Goldstone76;

Its quite simple; Do you believe the planes were also carrying napalm?

You can argue about a million things at once but I am only interested in the answer to my question first.