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What about the reserve team coach? Goal keeping coach?
We have enough chiefs to run a football team.
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What about the reserve team coach? Goal keeping coach?
We have enough chiefs to run a football team.
Icy Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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Not sure Murray or OGH would be thrilled to see Wendy back here. Are his man management skills with older players a bit suspect? I ask that out of interest as I really don't know if that is the case, but I seem to remember he may have had problems dealing with some of the senior members of the squad. It could of course have been toys out of the pram by the players being replaced by the youth teamers.
severnside gull
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he also had issues supporting players in opposition to the chairman
right or wrong it's not a recommended management technique (especially when you do it surreptiously)
good coach though
right or wrong it's not a recommended management technique (especially when you do it surreptiously)
good coach though
ATFC Seagull
Aberystwyth Town FC
I think he'll stay there - whatever the myserious circumstances regarding Pardew's departure, its no coincidence that Wilkins was the only member of the coaching staff to stay.
Jimbo26
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God I hope not
- Jul 7, 2003
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Sorry, but I don't want him back.
Would be a backward step from our point of view- in recent years we've had a right old "jobs for the boys" culture here.
I know people will say he had such an outstanding record of bringing in youth players, but come on, he's no Dario Gradi. Which of the apparently outstanding youth teamers have actually gone on to better things? Fraser is in League Two, Cox and Virgo have gone to clubs in lower positions than us. El Abd is still here I guess, but much as he's playing well currently, I can't see there being a queue of Championship clubs waiting to sign him. Robinson is an inconsistent squad member at Shrewsbury. No doubt there are others that have dropped out of the league altogether. Are there ANY that you'd call a real success story? Were Hammond and Harding products of the Wendy Academy or am I thinking a couple of years too late now? Elphick is the only other one that springs immediately to mind.
Yes, he got these lads in the first team, but let's not call our youth team a gold mine just yet. I think a few of the current youth squad look far better than any of Wilkins' lot.
Would be a backward step from our point of view- in recent years we've had a right old "jobs for the boys" culture here.
I know people will say he had such an outstanding record of bringing in youth players, but come on, he's no Dario Gradi. Which of the apparently outstanding youth teamers have actually gone on to better things? Fraser is in League Two, Cox and Virgo have gone to clubs in lower positions than us. El Abd is still here I guess, but much as he's playing well currently, I can't see there being a queue of Championship clubs waiting to sign him. Robinson is an inconsistent squad member at Shrewsbury. No doubt there are others that have dropped out of the league altogether. Are there ANY that you'd call a real success story? Were Hammond and Harding products of the Wendy Academy or am I thinking a couple of years too late now? Elphick is the only other one that springs immediately to mind.
Yes, he got these lads in the first team, but let's not call our youth team a gold mine just yet. I think a few of the current youth squad look far better than any of Wilkins' lot.
severnside gull
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Lynch as a squad player at Forest but rarely starts.....
the new policy of looking further afield can't really reap less rewards
the new policy of looking further afield can't really reap less rewards
- Jul 7, 2003
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I don't think Gus is afraid to look to the youth team, and the consensus is that there are at least one or two really decent players in the current lot. Was mightily impressed with Caskey's one appearance so far, and Dunk was excellent at MK last season.
If you re-read your own post, it is staggering.
Could you please forward any club that has exclusively offered local County based players such careers, before becoming manager and then taking them to 7th ??
Who exactly, apart from Caskey who has been in our own system just a few years and who's likely main mentor is his Step Dad rather than any Academy coach, would you tag up as an obvious player to surpass the players you mentioned ?
You can dismiss statistics and even current first team players only because it contradicts your own unqualified view.
Within the game Wilkins has an outstanding reputation for coaching at all levels and your view holds no validity, but hey ho, your the expert.
ady1973
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I would like to see him back, he does bleed blue and white after all.....maybe as a scout rather than a hands on coaching role
Tubby Mondays
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Why did no clubs come in for him then - surely someone with his 'reputation' would have been snapped up?
Why did it take him getting sacked before he left - someone with his ability would surely have been looking for the next step up?
Why has he only worked at two clubs in a coaching capacity - if he has a reputation for coaching at all levels?
You seem to think that youre the expert so tell us.
The French Mistress
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Come on Big Gully, answer the above!
The Large One
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You make it sound like that's a bad thing.
Silent Bob
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What are Southampton?
I was under the impression that he'd declined other offers to stay here, but his promotion to the first team was a step to stop him leaving to a bigger youth set up.
Yes, yes, this.
Tubby Mondays
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What are Southampton?
I was under the impression that he'd declined other offers to stay here, but his promotion to the first team was a step to stop him leaving to a bigger youth set up.
So ONE club came in for him after he had been unemployed for a year. I hope no one got hurt in the rush.
Who would have declined offers to stay at the club, given that Falmer was no more nearer than 5 years previously, if they were confident in their own ability and had other clubs wanting them?
Could I also remind people why he was called wendy? All of this 'bled blue and white' is rubbish; the bloke couldnt and wouldnt tackle and would rather lose possession than be tackled himself.
Dick Knights Mumm
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Did I mention the time I nut-megged him in a game of 5-a-Side. No ? I am sure I did.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Clubs still tend to keep the status quo when dealing with youth and development coaches, so sackings are generally rare as are vacancies.
Coaching generally isn't a head-hunters game whereas Managers are, although I think Adams was interested in taking Wilkins to Coventry.
Gus was 'headhunted, whilst his assistant was probably not.
There are too many qualified football coaches/managers and too few jobs, so the critical thing is to gain a good reputation and I feel Wilkins has probably done that.
The key thing is to actually stay within the game and that can take some doing and he has.
Pardew brought him as his assistant, even though there seems no previous friendship, so it is likely that the recruitment process was through the ever important 'football grapevine' which must of included some positive references.
He was given the role to manage the first team whilst a replacement was found and again it seems Adkins and the club wish to retain him in a senior coaching role at the club.
My main point was that some cannot even acknowledge the success of those players that came through our youth system, many when Wilkins was here.
Quite frankly to dismiss Virgo, Harding, Hammond, Al-Abd, Elphick, Cox etc as some kind of failure and should somehow reflect poorly on Wilkins is offering a view that can only be described as unqualified.
Tubby Mondays
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Well I think that the point was that no players were produced that were sold on for substantial fees or have gone on to cement a regular first team place.
He stayed within the game at this club for 25 years. That is evidence of the jobs for the boys mentality. Not many clubs would have worn that. When he was released no one came straight in for him and he didnt get anywhere else himself until pardew belled him.
I think in order to be headhunted you need to be in a job, as far as Im aware Poyet wasnt, he applied for and got it?
Rather the see Wilkins record as a failure, I see it more as not nearly as good as too many people make out. To look back through rose tinted spectacles at his time at the club is to forget the sighs that would echo around the Goldstone many times a game due to his 'contribution'. The fact he was held in any esteem at all as a player was down to ONE certain free kick.
He stayed within the game at this club for 25 years. That is evidence of the jobs for the boys mentality. Not many clubs would have worn that. When he was released no one came straight in for him and he didnt get anywhere else himself until pardew belled him.
I think in order to be headhunted you need to be in a job, as far as Im aware Poyet wasnt, he applied for and got it?
Rather the see Wilkins record as a failure, I see it more as not nearly as good as too many people make out. To look back through rose tinted spectacles at his time at the club is to forget the sighs that would echo around the Goldstone many times a game due to his 'contribution'. The fact he was held in any esteem at all as a player was down to ONE certain free kick.