Animals - Help Avoid their Torture!!

[NMH]

What about boiling Lobsters? Is that ok?

Not in my house it ain't. It's okay for a lot of other people, and there are probably loads of other creatures too small or difficult to euthanise that get cooked alive.

 

[Les Biehn]

Not in my house it ain't. It's okay for a lot of other people, and there are probably loads of other creatures too small or difficult to euthanise that get cooked alive.

Badgers?

 

[Pevenseagull]

all this animal rights malarkey reminds me. I must go and buy a rat/ beagle or something to test Body Shop products on before giving them as xmas presents



you can't be too careful

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Maybe it was broken?

No it wasn't. They sit there moaning on about how hungry they all are, then faced with a mouthwatering kangaroo platter [anus, testicle, eye, tongue and penis] they don't want to know.

 

[Commander]

Well then wouldn't you agree that those people who moan and annoy you might also be bettered, if they also attempted to get to know about what they moan about?
If there is nothing said about it, and people blithely form opinion based on what the telly brings TO them, and remain ignorant of what they are even buying justaslongasitscheap, then I imagine they're none the wiser.

Yes, I would agree with that.

Personally, I am not, as you seem to suspect, a preaching vegetarian, as I do eat meat - but without wasting it (I have seen people discard meat as if it was going out of style), and avoiding eating it without some assurance that it is not encouraging cruelty. And no, this thread is not so I can tell the world what a good boy am I - but howabout city-folk remember that the shiny package once drew breath and was born to a mother, as they pick it up for sundry consumption later?

To be honest, I think most people would rather not think about that, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. When I look at a steak, I look at it as a steak, not as a cow. When my girlfriend looks at a steak, she looks at it as a cow, hence she is a veggie. However, she would never try and persuade anyone else to become one. Each to their own and all that.

BTW, (relating to your earlier post) when did I say I only had one question for you?

 

[chip]

Personally, I am not, as you seem to suspect, a preaching vegetarian, as I do eat meat - but without wasting it (I have seen people discard meat as if it was going out of style), and avoiding eating it without some assurance that it is not encouraging cruelty. And no, this thread is not so I can tell the world what a good boy am I - but howabout city-folk remember that the shiny package once drew breath and was born to a mother, as they pick it up for sundry consumption later?

It amazes me how many so-called animal lovers keep carnivorous pets but complain about mistreatment of animals. By purchasing pet foods they are perpetuating and extending some often unpleasant practices on other animals for their own pleasure and satisfaction.

 

[Commander]

My wife's been a vegetarian for over 20 years, but she doesn't preach to anyone else - she just lives her life according to her own chosen ethics. She would never wear fur, nor use animal-tested cosmetics, and I doubt if any of her 35 handbags are real leather.

They way I see it, we pretty much all have the facts. Some of us think hard about them and others tuck them away and choose not to think about them.

Every one of us knows that;

1. Most meat is full of chemicals, hormones, steroids, etc.
2. An excess of red meat is bad for your health
3. Battery chickens live a miserable life

etc etc etc

So we weigh these things up, factor in our morals, upbringing, conscience and we decide what we eat. As long as everone is comfortable with their own choice and is aware of the facts, go for it, but don't expect everybody else's views to equate with yours.

My wife cooks a different meal for each of us at least three or four nights a week, so I get some meat, though she would not ever cook veal, lamb or rabbit!

Substitute 10 for 20 and wife for girlfriend and I'm in exactly the same position.

 

[glasfryn]

we both went veggie after the live exports fiasco.
we have six cats who are not veggie (some people have tried this but it cannot be done believe me).

the political party set up looks good !!

 

[NMH]

Yes, I would agree with that.

To be honest, I think most people would rather not think about that, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. When I look at a steak, I look at it as a steak, not as a cow. When my girlfriend looks at a steak, she looks at it as a cow, hence she is a veggie. However, she would never try and persuade anyone else to become one. Each to their own and all that.

There we'll agree to differ then, as I think people should have some modicum of education about something that they do about three times a day, that they put in their body, and means more to them than sex!
It's not a problem to know it's a cow, sheep or pig or whatever, and eat it - it seems a bit of a problem to not know, in my opinion. It's better to know that it's made up more of animal than chemical! I'd also prefer to have a choice when I do go shopping, not to have my hormonal balances messed with either.

BTW, (relating to your earlier post) when did I say I only had one question for you?

here, it's from page 3;

And, sorry to go on, but there is one more question I want answered. (Well it's not a question actually, but I want a response anyway). Then I will leave it alone:

Not that it matters to me if you left it alone or not. And anyway, the whole issue is not about me, what I know about farming, whether I'm a vegetarian or not.
I can be a raving carnivore and still stand by the message.

 

[NMH]

It amazes me how many so-called animal lovers keep carnivorous pets but complain about mistreatment of animals. By purchasing pet foods they are perpetuating and extending some often unpleasant practices on other animals for their own pleasure and satisfaction.

Great stuff chip!

They could feed their carnivorous pets free-range chickens and beef I suppose, or get to know that the 'animal by-products' (and a high % of corn and wheat gluten) that are in dog-food are the bits that are not even put in (human-consumption) sausages!

 

[Commander]

There we'll agree to differ then, as I think people should have some modicum of education about something that they do about three times a day, that they put in their body, and means more to them than sex!
It's not a problem to know it's a cow, sheep or pig or whatever, and eat it - it seems a bit of a problem to not know, in my opinion. It's better to know that it's made up more of animal than chemical! I'd also prefer to have a choice when I do go shopping, not to have my hormonal balances messed with either.




here, it's from page 3;



Not that it matters to me if you left it alone or not. And anyway, the whole issue is not about me, what I know about farming, whether I'm a vegetarian or not.
I can be a raving carnivore and still stand by the message.

Er

It's just as I thought, you are just keen on a wind up. Right from the start with your dismissal of the thread as unworthy, but a continuation of dismissive line of questioning. You did say you only had one question, but you have been a constant on a thread you didn't deem worthy of existence?

I said on page 3 I only had one more question for you and you answered it. I don't think what you said here is very accurate, do you?

 

[NMH]

What?

 

[Lokki 7]

I think we all need to remember that animals have feelings too.

An Elephant's Memory - A Touching Story

In 1986, Mkele Mbembe was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from college.
On a hike through the bush, he came across a young bull elephant standing
with one leg raised in the air.

The elephant seemed distressed so Mbembe approached it very carefully. He
got down on one knee and inspected the elephant's foot, and found a large
thorn deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently as he could, Mbembe
worked the thorn out with his hunting knife, after which the elephant
gingerly put down its foot. The elephant turned to face the man and with a
rather stern look on its face, stared at him. For several tense moments
Mbembe stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually
the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned and walked away.

Mbembe never forgot that elephant or the events of that day. Twenty years
later he was walking through a zoo with his teenaged son. As they approached
the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near
where Mbembe and his son Tapu were standing.

The large bull elephant stared at Mbembe and lifted its front foot off the
ground, then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted
loudly, all the while staring at the man. Remembering the encounter in
1986, Mbembe couldn't help wondering if this was the same elephant.
Mbembe summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing and made his way
into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in
wonder. Suddenly the elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one
of the man's legs and swung him wildly back and forth along the railing,
throwing him up against the concrete wall and then stomping on him until he
was dead.

Probably wasn't the same elephant

 

[NMH]

(tired of this line of questioning)

You did seem keen on a wind-up, so I don't know how that's in question (again).
You project stances from me that don't exist.

(going over this detail for your benefit)
The first mention of this was on a thread that was NOT really as pertinent to this subject - it was about a cat fed to a pit-bull dog. So, I deemed it worthy of its' own thread, without asking anyone else's permission, and without being a farmer or having their complete "understanding on the matter". Capiche?

 

[Commander]

(going over this detail for your benefit)
The first mention of this was on a thread that was NOT really as pertinent to this subject - it was about a cat fed to a pit-bull dog. So, I deemed it worthy of its' own thread, without asking anyone else's permission, and without being a farmer or having their complete "understanding on the matter". Capiche?

As I said before, I only asked if it was worthy of it's own thread because your opening post was exactly the same as your one in another thread. It was only a passing comment.

:thud:

If you maybe read through some of the things I had written before replying, you would see that we actually agree on a few things. Capiche?

 

[NMH]

:thud:

If you maybe read through some of the things I had written before replying, you would see that we actually agree on a few things. Capiche?

I noticed, it only made me wonder why you still took up other accusatory lines and questioning, and insisting I had "no understanding on the matter" etc.

 

[Commander]

Bored of this now.

 

[NMH]

Bored of this now.

It's okay Commander, I knew when I started this thread that I'd get some flak and have to field questions. Otherwise this wouldn't be NSC.

I've been kept amused, as for such a thread I got told;- I can't suggest people think about meat at the same time as having a pet, I have to be have a full understanding of farming otherwise I don't know what I'm talking about, I am therefore a vegetarian, and (whatever the reason given) the subject wasn't worth its' own thread.

It hasn't surprised me, and I hope someone got something out of the main theme, regardless.

 

[Meade's Ball]

I suppose the least surprising thing is that you believe that a question in your direction seems to be an accusation and one you must answer aggressively, like a dog being quizzed on the content of the bone in it's mouth.


Or, you can quite fairly add to the thought of the least surprising part being me saying something stupid in amongst what's deemed to be serious.

 

[NMH]

Well MB, I suppose rather than answer the questioning of the thread, my background and the other status..es....stati...or whatever - I could've ignored those question altogether and watch the thread fade into page three!