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Animals - Help Avoid their Torture!!
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Originally posted by Commander
Also, if someone close to you was dying, and needed some sort of medicine / treatment that had been tested on animals to ease their suffering / keep them alive, would you rather they didn't have it?
Yes, I would rather the medicine be used to save people from suffering or death. I still will advocate that we can avoid total use of animal tested products, and steering towards nature-friendly products will in turn send a message to manufacturers.
There are problems that have arisen from non-holistic chemical medicine. The good bacterias in your body were capable of morphing to counter natural attacking bacterias. Now those bad bacterias are not even getting through to us to 'train' our natural defences. Indeed, the bad bacterias are instead the ones that are becoming immune! These are getting named 'superbugs', because they have the ability to get past modern medicine, and totally spring a bacterial surprise on our own body defences.
You can use many holistic products to help steer clear of infections.
Right from the basic use of curry powder, peppers, and garlic, you can help fight germs.
Herbs such as echinacea can assist in keeping away colds, flus, asthma attacks, bronchitis and more. If taken as soon as you start to feel symptoms, you can fend off colds - and it assists your natural enzymes and bacterias (instead of over-ruling and wiping out the lot!)
Glucosamine and Condroitin can tangibly help against arthuritic pains.
Also, if someone close to you was dying, and needed some sort of medicine / treatment that had been tested on animals to ease their suffering / keep them alive, would you rather they didn't have it?
Yes, I would rather the medicine be used to save people from suffering or death. I still will advocate that we can avoid total use of animal tested products, and steering towards nature-friendly products will in turn send a message to manufacturers.
There are problems that have arisen from non-holistic chemical medicine. The good bacterias in your body were capable of morphing to counter natural attacking bacterias. Now those bad bacterias are not even getting through to us to 'train' our natural defences. Indeed, the bad bacterias are instead the ones that are becoming immune! These are getting named 'superbugs', because they have the ability to get past modern medicine, and totally spring a bacterial surprise on our own body defences.
You can use many holistic products to help steer clear of infections.
Right from the basic use of curry powder, peppers, and garlic, you can help fight germs.
Herbs such as echinacea can assist in keeping away colds, flus, asthma attacks, bronchitis and more. If taken as soon as you start to feel symptoms, you can fend off colds - and it assists your natural enzymes and bacterias (instead of over-ruling and wiping out the lot!)
Glucosamine and Condroitin can tangibly help against arthuritic pains.
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Man of Harveys
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*whispers* A tense moment here: could we see another flounce? We have a) an emotive issue AND b) tawdry, desperately unfunny attempts at wind-ups - ideal conditions for any hissy fit. *holds breath*
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My wife is a veggie, has been since the age of 8, but she really isn't that fussed that she's in a family of meat eaters. She is fine preparing meat, just doesn't want to eat it.
Anyway, farmers do not want to keep their animals for longer - they are not pets! They want to rear animals quickly, to produce the most amount of meat, that they can sell. It would be great if we were all vegetarians, and the supplement companies would make a fortune flogging us stuff to replace the naturally-produced "stuff" we get from meat, fish, etc - however, we were born to be meat eaters, our teeth and physical makeup is designed around eating meat.
I don't think that animals should be used for testing makeup, etc - vanity products should be tested on people. Medical products really do need to be tested on something which provides a similar response to that of a human (ie rabbits eyes, dog lungs, etc). Saying "test them on paedos" is facile, as it simply won't happen. If you want medicines which will save people, then I'm afraid the animals get it.
As for inhumane slaughtering - work in an abbatoir, it's as humane as it can get. Although the animals can sense death and seem to know what's coming....
Anyway, farmers do not want to keep their animals for longer - they are not pets! They want to rear animals quickly, to produce the most amount of meat, that they can sell. It would be great if we were all vegetarians, and the supplement companies would make a fortune flogging us stuff to replace the naturally-produced "stuff" we get from meat, fish, etc - however, we were born to be meat eaters, our teeth and physical makeup is designed around eating meat.
I don't think that animals should be used for testing makeup, etc - vanity products should be tested on people. Medical products really do need to be tested on something which provides a similar response to that of a human (ie rabbits eyes, dog lungs, etc). Saying "test them on paedos" is facile, as it simply won't happen. If you want medicines which will save people, then I'm afraid the animals get it.
As for inhumane slaughtering - work in an abbatoir, it's as humane as it can get. Although the animals can sense death and seem to know what's coming....
I have my Flounce-O-Meter on standby, just in case.
Of course, it would be much better (if less amusing for the rest of us), if both sides could keep to reasoned, calm and informed debate of what is a very emotive issue (on both sides) for some people.
Of course, it would be much better (if less amusing for the rest of us), if both sides could keep to reasoned, calm and informed debate of what is a very emotive issue (on both sides) for some people.
Man of Harveys said:
MoH. Do you talk like Peter Aliss? That's how I read that post!
NMH said:
Maybe so, but surely the people creating these treatments know more about it than you?
NMH said:
Yes, chilli (and whisky!) is a great cure for a cold, butI was talking about slightly more serious conditions.
Would you want someone close to you to be given a pigs heart if they were going to die otherwise, but this would save them?
NMH said:
I must admit that I am asthmatic and regularly suffered bronchitis resulting in courses of oral steroids. About three years ago I had a really bad flu and NMH, and Lush I think, said something about echinacea. Since then I take something called winter complex everyday during months with a Y in it which has many herbs in it and I haven't had as much as a bad cold since then.
Praise be
Commander said:
Could the pig get something in return? A donkey's cock or something?
Man of Harveys
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Thanks Mark, morning everyone. And what a lovely morning it is tyoo, ideal flountching conditionshs. Morning Geoffrey.
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Commander said:
Me too.
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Commander said:
We already have them. I've seen them out in Glasgow on a Saturday night.
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Man of Harveys said:
Nope, since I personally eat meat, it's not an insistently one-sided opinion (which has been called preaching). I won't eat veal, but I love venison. I eat chicken often, I find a large one lasts for several meals - usually one roast, one or two curries, a pasta, sandwiches (with brie!) and a stew or soup for the carcass. (and lots of vegetables/crops make it go further, healthier, taste better and lend variety, stretch the expenses out further pound for pound)
The unfunny wind-ups were expected, and I knew someone would also question this subject "having a right to a whole thread" (like almost everything else does on this football board!).
All this stuff serves to bounce, so I'm hardly gonna flounce!
Aaaand.... there are some excellent responses among the dross - and they were already worth starting this thread for
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NMH
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Commander said:
Yes, and I prefer not to visit them if I can avoid it - so I personally apply my own little bit of knowledge to stay away from the experts who create chemical treatments as long and as much as possible!
Yes, chilli (and whisky!) is a great cure for a cold, butI was talking about slightly more serious conditions.
Would you want someone close to you to be given a pigs heart if they were going to die otherwise, but this would save them? [/QUOTE]
Yes, I would prefer that they get a pig's heart, and I would be happy to consume the rest of that pig. (with veg, and getting as much out of it as possible with little waste)
NMH said:
The only reason I said that was because your first post was exactly the same as the one another thread.
I still don't really get what you're saying though. You're not a vegetarian, but you don't want other people to eat meat? Or you just want people to eat less meat?
And, sorry to go on, but there is one more question I want answered. (Well it's not a question actually, but I want a response anyway). Then I will leave it alone:
Commander said: