Animals - Help Avoid their Torture!!

[Franks Wild Years]

I basically agree with you NMH but do think that your post is a bit preachy. The self esteem bit's going to get peoples backs up.
Eat more vegetables and save animals for dressing up and petting.

 

[Commander]

Being a vegetarian, or at least's it's opening chapter, takes a little bit of concentration, care and work.
Since when will humans do that unpaid? It is not the natural way.
I saw a documentary on brains the other month wish said that only 10% of humans have cells without the neanderthal and modern couplings that the majority thickly have. I don't think the advanced necessarily have all gone veggie as their beastly cravings have lessened, but i think it may become part of things.

I think most decisions are purely psychologically comforting though. I don't want to have blood on my lips unless it's woman i love and a time of the month she's failed to announce the gushing feeling of. I often think about the results of what i do. Never beforehand, but just after i act, so remain clad in manacles of guilt. To continue simplest, i don't eat meat or feel responsible for an easy slay.
Then again, i am still a **** in other areas, so decisions are not based on loving logic allround. Just in places i can paper.

AKA *gibber*

MB, are you suggesting you are one of the 'advanced'?

I have been thinking this for some time.

 

[rool]

Nothing wrong with eating meat, just make sure you know where the meat is coming from and the animals live a relatively happy free range life and a quick and stress free death.

Not many wild animals have a quick stress free death.

It's like the fox hunting issue mentioned above, which I am glad has been stopped, but how many people, who are outraged by a free living fox coming to a nasty end from a pack of hounds, are happy to eat chickens that never have access to the outside and live in their own ammonia smelling droppings for the entire six weeks of their lives. Think of that when you tuck into your kebab/kfc/sunday roast.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

IEat more vegetables and save animals for dressing up and heavy petting.

Steady on Frank.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

We must cut down on our red meat consumption. The amount of gas that these animals produce, coupled with the fact that forests are being mown down to give them pasture/grazing land is truly shocking.

 

[Perry's Tracksuit Bottoms]

Why not simply do what you can - shop at places that do not use animal-tested products. The Body Shop is one, perfumes and soaps, toiletries and household products that are not causing animal tests.

The Body Shop is now owned by L'Oreal (and Nestle is one of their major shareholders).

For proper cruelty free cosmetics you can look
here

 

[Commander]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Animals - Help Avoid their Torture!!

Why? What makes you think your criticism is worth even a response? I haven't read one response that made me change my opinion yet!

If a single animal is kept from pain, a single one more is saved from being bred just to be pumped with hormones by bulk-farmers, a single calf does not get kept in a box because people got a little information - then a few moments of time on a website, and a million criticisms are worthwhile

Anyway, at this time I'd rather post a link for local restaurants search.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vegetarian+restaurants+Brighton&btnG=Google+Search

So you preach on here, then say when someone disagrees with you it isn't worthy of a response? And I'm not trying to get you to change your opinion, just questioning it.

Please answer my earlier post:

If the world went vegetarian, would would you suggest we do with all the domestic cows / sheep etc? And what do we do with the farmers who rely on them for their livelihood? And why do we have canine teeth?

Also, if someone close to you was dying, and needed some sort of medicine / treatment that had been tested on animals to ease their suffering / keep them alive, would you rather they didn't have it?

 

[1066gull]

It's funny how even in the British Board for Classification and Censorship, animals are more of a priority than children.

I quote, "There must be no physical harm to animals and children".

I just love it how the BBFC put animals before children.

 

[Franks Wild Years]

Steady on Frank.

That sounded a bit wierd didn't it ?
I didn't mean anything mucky.

 

[NMH]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Animals - Help Avoid their Torture!!

So you preach on here, then say when someone disagrees with you it isn't worthy of a response? And I'm not trying to get you to change your opinion, just questioning it.

Please answer my earlier post:

Apparently you did NOT read mine. I didn't say anything about someone disagreeing with me not being worthy of response at all.

Here it is again, from your own post quoting it!;
Originally posted by NMH
"Why? What makes you think your criticism is worth even a response? I haven't read one response that made me change my opinion yet! "

 

[NMH]

The Body Shop has had criticism, and the foxhunting has strong arguments on both sides. There are even websites dedicated to criticising Body Shop, and it's said that they cannot possibly totally avoid products that have had some form of animal testing relationship.
I'm sure there will be those who can dig up something that denegrates the RCPCA as well, but here goes anyway;

http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Sat...rect&pg=CLAW&marker=1&articleId=1154077781279

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

i think ill carry on eating my sausage sarny and left over pork roast. but i WILL listen to animals-pink floyd for your cause. i urge everyone to do the same

 

[Commander]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Animals - Help Avoid their Torture!!

Apparently you did NOT read mine. I didn't say anything about someone disagreeing with me not being worthy of response at all.

That is a post straight out of the London Irish school of question avoiding.

Why? What makes you think your criticism is worth even a response?

You cant (well, you can) come on here and post something that you know a lot of people will disagree with, and then refuse to answer any criticism, be it right or wrong. With that attitude, I can just say "What makes you think your preaching is worth answering?"

If you are so sure you are right, then why cant you answer questions about it?

 

[Trufflehound]

Ah... This all brings back fond memories of my old canteen at work. You could always rely on rational and thought-provoking discussions on racism, world poverty, politics, sexism, etc. But there were always two subjects that were guaranteed to make most people get all defensive and start a fight. All you had to do was suggest either:

1) You don't need to eat meat.

or

2) You don't need a car.

And it was gloves off and seconds out.

 

[NMH]

Worthy of it's own thread?

If the world went vegetarian, would would you suggest we do with all the domestic cows / sheep etc? And what do we do with the farmers who rely on them for their livelihood? And why do we have canine teeth?

Sorry Commander, I really should have looked at this one longer.

Farmers might have their sheep and cows for longer, if there was a movement to eat less meat. AND....they would still prosper, because people need to eat something - and vegetable farming would have a required increase.

 

[Commander]

Sorry Commander, I really should have looked at this one longer.

Farmers might have their sheep and cows for longer, if there was a movement to eat less meat. AND....they would still prosper, because people need to eat something - and vegetable farming would have a required increase.

Do you know any farmers? Have you suggested this to them? I really don't think that is practical.

And what about this one:

Also, if someone close to you was dying, and needed some sort of medicine / treatment that had been tested on animals to ease their suffering / keep them alive, would you rather they didn't have it?

 

[rool]

Sorry Commander, I really should have looked at this one longer.

Farmers might have their sheep and cows for longer, if there was a movement to eat less meat. AND....they would still prosper, because people need to eat something - and vegetable farming would have a required increase.

If people paid the proper price for humanely reared animals then Farmers could afford to keep the animals longer to allow them to grow more naturally.

It is the supermarkets that have driven down prices and, as a result, increased intensive farming methods therefore, by conclusion, the best way to help animals is to buy your organic free range meat from a butcher who knows where the animals come from. It takes some communication rather than just picking it up off a shelf but the rewards are in the taste of the product and a clearer conscience.

 

[NMH]

Do you know any farmers? Have you suggested this to them? I really don't think that is practical.

Erm..not sure what I would suggest they do, since they supply in response to demand. I certainly stand by the opinion that a demand for MORE vegetables and LESS animals would (quite practically) encourage them to grow more vegetables to answer the demand!

 

[Commander]

Do you know any farmers? Have you suggested this to them? I really don't think that is practical.

Erm..not sure what I would suggest they do, since they supply in response to demand. I certainly stand by the opinion that a demand for MORE vegetables and LESS animals would (quite practically) encourage them to grow more vegetables to answer the demand!

Maybe in the long run, but farmers get a raw enough deal as it is. And they still have to do something with the millions of farm animals in the world already. If we didn't eat meat then surely there would be a lot LESS animals around- you couldn't just have thousands of herds of wild cows wandering around Britain.

The most sensible option is the post below:

If people paid the proper price for humanely reared animals then Farmers could afford to keep the animals longer to allow them to grow more naturally.

It is the supermarkets that have driven down prices and, as a result, increased intensive farming methods therefore, by conclusion, the best way to help animals is to buy your organic free range meat from a butcher who knows where the animals come from. It takes some communication rather than just picking it up off a shelf but the rewards are in the taste of the product and a clearer conscience.

And you still haven't answered my other question.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

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