And that is why the English will win nothing

[Digweeds Trousers]

Look back at the posts on various threads - as soon as Murray started losing it was all about why is a wanker, why we all hate him, he's Scottish blah blah blah

You make me sick - you were just us disgraceful towards Henman - who to be frank is a far better man and achieved a whole lot more than most dweebs on here.

But you just can;t wait to slag someone for losing - and you almost hate it when they win.

Shove it right up yer arse - gutless spineless little weedies who pack in as soon as it doesn't go their way.

And you knwo what - he playerd some fantastic tennis last night - anyone really mention that?

Of course not - this country as a whole has forgotten how to win.

 

[algie]

Well said.The sad thing is to many people expected to much from Henman and to be honest he was overrated.But you are right in what you say.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I have to agree. Murray was an absolute fecking inspiration last night. One of the greatest ever sporting come backs against a player in the top 10 of the World.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The shouting, fist pumping and muscle showing what was we have been missing for years. English people and England like LOSERS, they celebrate LOSING and under achieving whether it be in sport or business. ANYONE who is a winner or achiever is hated in England.

 

[algie]

I have to agree. Murray was an absolute fecking inspiration last night. One of the greatest ever sporting come backs against a player in the top 10 of the World.

The greatest come back has to go to Liverpool against Milan.Great comeback from Murray but he hasn't won anything yet(fingers crossed)

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

One of the greatest comeback's Algie, but I think we are agreeing on this one.

 

[essbee]

I actually think it goes deeper than that.

We have come to accept defeat as 'ok' - and 'oh well, it wasn't going to
be our day'..........

That attitude is what conditions losers.

I thought Murray showed that there are UK sports people
who don't think like that and who won't accpet second best
and good luck to the bloke.

 

[Bish Bosh]

The greatest come back has to go to Liverpool against Milan.Great comeback from Murray but he hasn't won anything yet(fingers crossed)

Yeah right Liverpools comeback...key contributions from Alonso, Smicer and Dudek, along with Gerrard of course. A strange kind of English glory?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Of course its not possible to be a winner in school now as it is against the human rights of the other children. They are ALL equal, and there's the rub. Mediocrity is embraced, accepted and applauded and of all the legacy this shambolic Labour government will leave us with in 2 years time this is quite possibly the worst thing they have ingrained into our nation.

 

[algie]

Not sure about the losing comment.50000 fans went to the States to see the Hatton fight.I bet most people are not intrested in rowing but found themselves glued to the tv to see Steve Regrave win his 5th gold.I just think we are probably bad losers or not use to sucess but the passion is there.

 

[Digweeds Trousers]

US - one of the most succinct posts I have seen on here for a long long while.

It is possible to win with grace, dignity and style. From an early age in this country there is no encouragement for young people to excel and push themselves to the limit.

Mediocrity - lets fight it

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I remember Henman lost in the quarters, we lost the cricket and rugby in quick succession and the Sun ran a piece claiming that Henman and the respective captains were traitors.

I think we are a bitter nation and the tabloid press do their best to stir it up. There seem to be only a handful of top athletes that the English/British public take to. More often than not there is an overriding feeling that the person is in a privileged position and we can do or say what we like about them. The sheer bloody mindedness to make it and compete at the top level and we underestimate how much dedication, sweating blood and tears, that these guys put into their sports and dismiss them as losers if they do not reach number one. Only a small proportion of clubs/teams/athletes will ever reach the top.

Look at the witch hunt of Flintoff when he was as pissed as a newt after winning The Ashes or the sustained campaign against Beckham when he got himself sent off against Argentina.

The gutter press like success stories, but they much prefer ‘failures’.

US, I don't think mediocrity is the right word. Only a small handful of athletes will ever make it to the top. Murray will not be a failure if he falls at the quarter final stage and Henman was never a failure having been one of the most consistent players at Wimbledon for almost a decade. Unfortunately he was not in the same class as Sampras and Federer. That is not mediocrity.

 

[algie]

Sorry Paul,Henman was consistent at winning nothing at Wimbledon,He was simply not good enough.That is a failure.

 

[Juan Albion]

Your biggest problem is your ability to put all the blame in one place when you lose. Just look at the way most of you seem to blame McClaren entirely for your failure to make Euro2008. It may make you feel better to use a scapegoat but when you lose you need to identify the real cause and then deal with it. McClaren may have been a part of the problem but he was by no means all of it. Yet so many on here have said that if it weren't for him, you would have qualified. Nothing to do with not being very good, then?

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Good thread.

First of all what are we? English or British? If we talk about Britain then Murray is ours for better or worse? Sod what he says about England losing he's still ours. So we should be behind him.. let's be honest anyone in the limelight tends to be a bit of a w******.

However if you are only English and think 'sod off' to Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish then stick to your guns and just ignore Murray. He's not one of yours.

As I had a Scottish grandma I'm British so I'm behind Muray all the way!

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Sorry Paul,Henman was consistent at winning nothing at Wimbledon,He was simply not good enough.That is a failure.

If reaching four quarter-finals and four semi-finals in a period of 9 years is a failure, then I would be delighted to fail in style. The point is, there are going to be many also rans in every sport. But I don't buy the ethos of second place being the first loser. In the last 15 years, 12 of the Wimbledon titles have been won by Sampras and Federer, two of the greatest grass court players.

Failure is too strong a word in my opinion. A failure would not be a professional and able to forge a professional career in their chosen sport, surely?

 

[CHAPPERS]

Sorry Paul,Henman was consistent at winning nothing at Wimbledon,He was simply not good enough.That is a failure.

That's one way of looking at it. I reckon 4 semi finals and 4 quarter finals is a decent record at Wimbledon. Thenfact that he never won it can quite easily be put down to the amount of pressure that was put on him and the fact that players like Sampras and Federer were around who are amongst the best players ever to have played the game. Not being the best does NOT make you a failure.

 

[Digweeds Trousers]

Blimey - two quality posts in 15 minutes.

Juan - that is spot on. I don't think anyone would dispute McClaren being part of the problem - he did himself no favours that night hiding under the brolly - only exacerbated with Bilic living the game, breathing every kcik his players made that night.

BUT - that does not hide the fact that there were some abysmal performances from the tea,

This, I guess is where football has become so detached from real life.

For example - I have a team of 15 brokers under me that, as the VP Sales I have the responsibility for the overall number - but there is individual responsibility.

People get fired for non-performance - yet in football more than any other sport it is always the manager that goes and the players who have failed to deliver carry on earning and playing - you could say that failure and under-achievement is rewarded - and therefore acceptable.

This permeates through the whole sport - players renege on contracts, agents run the game and average players are earning £40k per week.

Where do you go from there?

 

[drew]

Lets get things straight. Great comeback last night but he hasn't won anything yet and we know he has to get past Nadal!!!

As for the English never winning anything, we have probably the best rowing squad for the olympics, our strongest ever boxing squad. Expect gold medals from the sailors as well.

James Toseland 2007 world superbike champion.

There is probably a considerably longer list of world champions, most of which don't get any media credit.

just because a couple of morons slag off one person donn't tar us all with the same brush!

 

[Digweeds Trousers]

Oh - and BOF - youa re spot on. Henman happened to be at his peak in the time of two of the greatest players EVER to have held a tennics racket in Sampras and Federer.

Timing did not deal Henman a great hand to be frank - in any sport that is an individual one rather than a team sport it is very difficult to win in this situation.

Yet people here have branded Henman a failure - which is utterly unbelievable. BEaring in mind they were served up Jeremy Bates for 5 years who getting through tho the second round was proclaimed to be a wondrous sporting achievement.