[Brighton] All Brighton & Hove primary schools to switch to online learning from Monday ?

[amexer]

From those in state education I know they are against schools opening and if a decision was made to close they would then be against that.

 

[BN41Albion]

From those in state education I know they are against schools opening and if a decision was made to close they would then be against that.

Please explain further...

 

[METALMICKY]

Anyone had the misfortune of their school's online effort being Purple Mash. Utter gash!

 

[atomised]

Don't you have to be within 2 metres of someone for 15 minutes? I never am which is why I've not really understood the full usefulness of the app?

I never am intentionally. Unfortunately the school in question has created an issue in trying to stagger kids arrivals but not opening the gates to really allow for that. It creates a crowd around thee gate in a very closed in area that all the one way systems in the world can't ease. It's just a 10 minute window. Solution would be to open the gates at 820. And let drop offs flow more naturally

 

[beorhthelm]

Please explain further...

think the suggestion is there are groups that would be against the government's position which ever it was.

 

[Nobby]

All Brighton & Hove primary schools to switch to online learning from Monday ?

You are in no more danger than supermarket workers,, doctors, nurses, bus drivers and many other professions.

Go to work.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

When do people think the latest Boris u-turn will happen then? He was pretty adamant schools will stay open this morning. Tuesday volte-face?

 

[atomised]

When do people think the latest Boris u-turn will happen then? He was pretty adamant schools will stay open this morning. Tuesday volte-face?

I said in another thread. I take mine to school tomorrow fully expecting to hear by Wednesday all tier 4 schools closed

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

think the suggestion is there are groups that would be against the government's position which ever it was.

I could understand this sentiment if it was a “regular” government but sadly it isn’t. It’s been the case many many times that the very last person you should take guidance from is Boris and his sycophants.

 

[Bozza]

All Brighton & Hove primary schools to switch to online learning from Monday ?

When do people think the latest Boris u-turn will happen then? He was pretty adamant schools will stay open this morning. Tuesday volte-face?

Not on Marr he wasn’t. Closing schools is not seen as desirable, but is a measure that will be enacted if required.

No government could win...

- leave options on the table and they are slated for lacking a plan and not allowing people to deal with certainties

- make plans and change them, and they are taken to task for making u-turns.

Frankly I’m happy for any government to be strong enough to make supposed “u-turns” in all elements of policy (and I’m talking beyond Covid-19 here too), when circumstances change. Sadly there are many who leap on this as a sign of weakness.

(FWIW - I don’t think schools should be opening tomorrow, as closure seems almost inevitable in the very near future, but I can understand why there is a keen desire to try to keep education operating.)

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not on Marr he wasn’t. Closing schools is not seen as desirable, but is a measure that will be enacted if required.

No government could win...

- leave options on the table and they are slated for lacking a plan and not allowing people to deal with certainties

- make plans and change them, and they are taken to task for making u-turns.

Frankly I’m happy for any government to be strong enough to make supposed “u-turns” in all elements of policy (and I’m talking beyond Covid-19 here too), when circumstances change. Sadly there are many who leap on this as a sign of weakness.

(FWIW - I don’t think schools should be opening tomorrow, as closure seems almost inevitable in the very near future, but I can understand why there is a keen desire to try to keep education operating.)

Indeed.

However, who invented the 'U turn' as an instrument of scorn and mechanism to mock the opposition?

U turn if you want to, the lady is not for turning.

In the case of Boris it is hardly a u turn. It is an ouroboros. Beyond scorn or mockery

 

[Poojah]

Not on Marr he wasn’t. Closing schools is not seen as desirable, but is a measure that will be enacted if required.

No government could win...

- leave options on the table and they are slated for lacking a plan and not allowing people to deal with certainties

- make plans and change them, and they are taken to task for making u-turns.

Frankly I’m happy for any government to be strong enough to make supposed “u-turns” in all elements of policy (and I’m talking beyond Covid-19 here too), when circumstances change. Sadly there are many who leap on this as a sign of weakness.

(FWIW - I don’t think schools should be opening tomorrow, as closure seems almost inevitable in the very near future, but I can understand why there is a keen desire to try to keep education operating.)

It’s the lack of foresight which bothers me. I can forgive the government for the delayed reaction in March - we were caught short and had no idea of the true scale of the problem (even if Italy should have been a stark forewarning).

But we now have sufficient data to tell us what is happening, what the trajectory looks like. Virus transmission is by its nature exponential, so days spent dithering at the front end translate to weeks of additional pain at the backend. The fact we were one of, if not the last European country out of lockdown mkI is testament to this.

Boris is someone who has treated his career in politics like a popularity contest. I would certainly put to you that he didn’t find himself as prime minister based on the strength of his leadership or the quality of his political ideas.

I’ve said this time and time again, but the nations who have fared better out of this crisis are those who made decisions which were unpopular at the time but popular in hindsight. We are the antithesis of this - there seems a deep fear to make a decision which might upset certain quarters of society only to find that there is no alternative just a few weeks or even days later, and that the impact for us all will now be even harsher.

We’ve repeatedly made the same mistakes, and as unavoidable as deaths are in this most difficult of circumstances, I do believe that our most senior leaders have blood on their hands and should be taken to task once this shit show has finally concluded.

 

[maffew]

Not on Marr he wasn’t. Closing schools is not seen as desirable, but is a measure that will be enacted if required.

No government could win...

- leave options on the table and they are slated for lacking a plan and not allowing people to deal with certainties

- make plans and change them, and they are taken to task for making u-turns.

Frankly I’m happy for any government to be strong enough to make supposed “u-turns” in all elements of policy (and I’m talking beyond Covid-19 here too), when circumstances change. Sadly there are many who leap on this as a sign of weakness.

(FWIW - I don’t think schools should be opening tomorrow, as closure seems almost inevitable in the very near future, but I can understand why there is a keen desire to try to keep education operating.)

Agree with all this.
Though this u turn is going to be one too many for most, and Boris is going to get absolutely ****ing slaughtered for it, feels inevitable. He needs to either be guided by the science entirely now, not just most of the time. There really doesn't seem to be any possible middle ground

 

[Bozza]

It’s the lack of foresight which bothers me. I can forgive the government for the delayed reaction in March - we were caught short and had no idea of the true scale of the problem (even if Italy should have been a stark forewarning).

But we now have sufficient data to tell us what is happening, what the trajectory looks like. Virus transmission is by its nature exponential, so days spent dithering at the front end translate to weeks of additional pain at the backend. The fact we were one of, if not the last European country out of lockdown mkI is testament to this.

Boris is someone who has treated his career in politics like a popularity contest. I would certainly put to you that he didn’t find himself as prime minister based on the strength of his leadership or the quality of his political ideas.

I’ve said this time and time again, but the nations who have fared better out of this crisis are those who made decisions which were unpopular at the time but popular in hindsight. We are the antithesis of this - there seems a deep fear to make a decision which might upset certain quarters of society only to find that there is no alternative just a few weeks or even days later, and that the impact for us all will now be even harsher.

We’ve repeatedly made the same mistakes, and as unavoidable as deaths are in this most difficult of circumstances, I do believe that our most senior leaders have blood on their hands and should be taken to task once this shit show has finally concluded.

As I've stated repeatedly, I despaired when Johnson became Prime Minister and nothing since has changed my mind on that.

However, I could highlight examples of where better-regarded, less-populist leaders - the likes of Sturgeon and Merkel - have made what transpired to be hopelessly optimistic projections which have required back-tracking and/or the imposition of more draconian measures than had previously been outlined. And back-tracking / u-turning / changing direction is EXACTLY what leaders should be doing in this unprecedented situation. Would those who poke scorn, really prefer governments stick to a previously-charted course for the sake of supposed consistency?

For everyone saying we acted too late or too soft, there is someone else who said we shouldn't have acted at all or we were too draconian, and I don't mean just the dangerous nutters like Toby Young and JHB.

And whilst I broadly agree with much of what you say there, again there is a considerable number of people who claim the government will have blood on their hands for acting at all due to the human consequences that come from the severe economic impacts of restrictions and lockdowns.

About the only thing I can say with any certainty is that it turned out fortuitous for Labour that they had put their faith in Corbyn's tragic leadership - it was a great election to lose.

 

[Bozza]

Agree with all this.
Though this u turn is going to be one too many for most, and Boris is going to get absolutely ****ing slaughtered for it, feels inevitable. He needs to either be guided by the science entirely now, not just most of the time. There really doesn't seem to be any possible middle ground

Yep.

But our politics is such a shit-show that change of policy is seen as weakness. Maybe we get exactly what we deserve - this thread highlights people nearly frothing at the mouth, such is their anticipation of a u-turn to leap upon.

It feels simple to suggest that leaders should, essentially, be saying "We would like to do this: XXXXXXX. However, in order for that to happen we need this: YYYYY and this ZZZZZZ. If that doesn't happen then we will need to re-assess and, in all likelihood look at AAAAAA or BBBBBBB."

Of course, that would be leapt upon as dithering and indecision.

 

[Poojah]

As I've stated repeatedly, I despaired when Johnson became Prime Minister and nothing since has changed my mind on that.

However, I could highlight examples of where better-regarded, less-populist leaders - the likes of Sturgeon and Merkel - have made what transpired to be hopelessly optimistic projections which have required back-tracking and/or the imposition of more draconian measures than had previously been outlined. And back-tracking / u-turning / changing direction is EXACTLY what leaders should be doing in this unprecedented situation. Would those who poke scorn, really prefer governments stick to a previously-charted course for the sake of supposed consistency?

For everyone saying we acted too late or too soft, there is someone else who said we shouldn't have acted at all or we were too draconian, and I don't mean just the dangerous nutters like Toby Young and JHB.

And whilst I broadly agree with much of what you say there, again there is a considerable number of people who claim the government will have blood on their hands for acting at all due to the human consequences that come from the severe economic impacts of restrictions and lockdowns.

About the only thing I can say with any certainty is that it turned out fortuitous for Labour that they had put their faith in Corbyn's tragic leadership - it was a great election to lose.

Ultimately, when and if this is all over, national success will be measured by death count and long-term economic hardship. Few countries have got this right, but I have little doubt that we’ll be up there on the podium with those who got it very, very wrong.

 

[maresfield seagull]

It’s the inconsistencies Much like we bemoan referees for on match days
How can vast areas become tier 4 just before Xmas Yet there are now differences between which primary schools are expected to open Despite all falling with these zones? And the R rate still rising within said areas
Re the u turns it’s the leaving it until the last possible moment Rather than making a pre emptive decision And actually following the scientific advice
That is causing their issues and causing people to lose faith in them

 

[amexer]

Certainly it is so much easier to be running the country at the moment if you are not in government

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Certainly it is so much easier to be running the country at the moment if you are not in government

Labour offered to cooperate in a joint Covid coalition, but was refused. The government are handling this on their own through choice.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Labour offered to cooperate in a joint Covid coalition, but was refused. The government are handling this on their own through choice.

Doesn’t really change the premise that it’s easier to ‘run’ things when in opposition