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If for a moment I though that Boris's motivation on making a late decision was about anything other than trying to placate factions within his party, i'd agree with you
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[Brighton] All Brighton & Hove primary schools to switch to online learning from Monday ?
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If for a moment I though that Boris's motivation on making a late decision was about anything other than trying to placate factions within his party, i'd agree with you
blue-shifted
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They certainly do make it look tricky, that's for sure
Bozza jnr is home already.
Nothing to do with Covid - "he says he feels a bit sick, can you come and collect him please."
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him, other than possibly being a bit tired after two weeks of late nights.
Nothing to do with Covid - "he says he feels a bit sick, can you come and collect him please."
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him, other than possibly being a bit tired after two weeks of late nights.
Stumpy Tim
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These are the numbers on the Zoe app that I use. There is no way I am sending my kids to school with this happening. I have complained to our school given their decision to open, and asked for remote learning. Worse case, my son will be doing some exercises I find online
The late decision thing is actually quite smart (Politically). By doing this, it means the correct decision becomes inevitable and the other choices drop off or become an obvious worse decision to his supporters.
Look at his Brexit deal, Labour voted for it because every other option except the horrendous ‘No Deal’ had gone.
Look at the first lockdown, although it was late thus costing an estimated 20,000 lives according to a recent study, Boris had the overwhelming backing of the Country in locking down (albeit way too late according to most educated people).
This is popularism in governance. Some people willingly accept it, others will want a more decisive government that leads instead of following mass consensus once the decisions are obvious or extremely limited.
Have they explained why the went against the advice of the council?
Seems a bit odd that schools are deciding one thing, the council another and the government another!
Edit: just to add obviously the school are following govt advice, but they are making decisions individually.
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WilburySeagull
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whilst I understand just how difficult decisions are at the moment thats what a govt is for. This one seems chronically unable to act at the right time. The PMs latest we will consider harsher measures "in due course" is just unacceptable dithering at a moment when virtually everyone except the far reaches of the tory party accepts the need for a lockdone just until the vunerable are vaccinated.
Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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They are just leaving it, so that when the system falls over, they can blame unions, school governors, local councils, parents, head teachers and teachers
He won’t have to U turn
Half the country will have taken action before he has the chance
I don't think it's just factions within the Tory Party. There are some, certainly, but I think it's broadly representative of our society.
One person I look at every now and again, and I know others did early on in this whole horrible thing is David Paton - https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern
Now, he's got no subject matter experience, as his bio tells you, but he's clearly quite a smart chap and you wouldn't place him in the Toby Young and JHB camps. However, he has near-constantly criticised the levels of restrictions being imposed and seems to lead a small army of twitter warriors who'll tell anyone and everyone that there's really not much going on, trotting out all the same reasons:
- false positives
- died WITH Covid, not of Covid
- hospitals aren't that busy
- ...well no busier than they would be anyway this time of year
- they were going to die soon anyway
Here's Paton's latest little rant...
It is hard to overstate what a catastrophic failure the Govt & SAGE’s policy of continual restrictions & lockdown has been.
Not only has it caused economic devastation & misery for millions, it has not stopped high rates & surges in infections, hospitalisations & deaths
Over the past 6 months, UK governments have tried mask mandates, curfews, local restrictions, regional restrictions, tiers, short *firebreaks*, national lockdowns, stricter tiers, extra tiers.
All have caused enormous costs yet look where we are at with Covid. Time to rethink.
“But it’s just obvious that lockdowns will work."
It’s past the time to indulge in wishful thinking about what you think *must* or *should* happen. Like it or not, we have to face reality: the continual lockdown/restriction cycle has failed on every possible measure.
“But things would have been even worse without the restrictions”
Hard to see how but, if you believe that, where is the evidence? e.g. have places with lighter restrictions had demonstrably worse Covid outcomes? Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Florida, Brazil?
“But it would have been different if we’d locked down more things/earlier/longer …”
More collateral damage & misery for certain, but where is the evidence Covid outcomes would be better? Look at Belgium, Italy, Peru, Spain, Czechia, New York, Illinois, France, Argentina.
“But New Zealand!”
Long term (& continued) border closures & extreme lockdown in an isolated island nation before the virus was endemic: whether you agree or disagree with what NZ did, it was just not relevant for the UK situation last March and certainly not now.
“But what’s your alternative?”
Please think that question through. If the lockdown strategy creates huge costs and doesn't help with Covid, it needs to be stopped whether or not there is anything else the Government should do.
Whatever side of the lockdown debate people have been on, to continue with this strategy despite the clear evidence of how badly it has failed is not just reckless but criminally negligent.
Eventually we need a proper inquiry into the advice SAGE has given but the urgent thing now is to reverse some of the most damaging measures: school closures, retail, hospitality & sporting shutdowns & the use of criminal law to stop families meeting up.
Not only has it caused economic devastation & misery for millions, it has not stopped high rates & surges in infections, hospitalisations & deaths
Over the past 6 months, UK governments have tried mask mandates, curfews, local restrictions, regional restrictions, tiers, short *firebreaks*, national lockdowns, stricter tiers, extra tiers.
All have caused enormous costs yet look where we are at with Covid. Time to rethink.
“But it’s just obvious that lockdowns will work."
It’s past the time to indulge in wishful thinking about what you think *must* or *should* happen. Like it or not, we have to face reality: the continual lockdown/restriction cycle has failed on every possible measure.
“But things would have been even worse without the restrictions”
Hard to see how but, if you believe that, where is the evidence? e.g. have places with lighter restrictions had demonstrably worse Covid outcomes? Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Florida, Brazil?
“But it would have been different if we’d locked down more things/earlier/longer …”
More collateral damage & misery for certain, but where is the evidence Covid outcomes would be better? Look at Belgium, Italy, Peru, Spain, Czechia, New York, Illinois, France, Argentina.
“But New Zealand!”
Long term (& continued) border closures & extreme lockdown in an isolated island nation before the virus was endemic: whether you agree or disagree with what NZ did, it was just not relevant for the UK situation last March and certainly not now.
“But what’s your alternative?”
Please think that question through. If the lockdown strategy creates huge costs and doesn't help with Covid, it needs to be stopped whether or not there is anything else the Government should do.
Whatever side of the lockdown debate people have been on, to continue with this strategy despite the clear evidence of how badly it has failed is not just reckless but criminally negligent.
Eventually we need a proper inquiry into the advice SAGE has given but the urgent thing now is to reverse some of the most damaging measures: school closures, retail, hospitality & sporting shutdowns & the use of criminal law to stop families meeting up.
So there are decent and intelligent people out there that have nothing to do with the Tory party who believe that a disease that thrives on close contact between people can not be mitigated by trying to stop people having close contact with others.
blue-shifted
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The internet is awash with anti-lockdown agitants and they have been highly persuasive on right leaning MP's who've been able to influence the government. Boris has only taken measures throughout when left with absolutely no choice.
Neville's Breakfast
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Belittle the concerns all you like
Neville's Breakfast
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A Head from Walsall on Sky News says her staff invoked Section 44 of the Health and Safety Act and she has not opened the school today
schmunk
Why oh why oh why?
Well, this forum won't migrate itself...
Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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Not sure they were belittling any concerns. I'm sure there are teachers who think like that but with online learning and continued school for kids of keyworkers etc it's not as if they wouldn't be working anyway
Neville's Breakfast
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It is part of a narrative belittling the dangers faced by school staff. Probably goes hand in hand with ‘teachers have half the year on holiday and work 9 to 3.’ Actually my biggest concern for school staff would be for the safety of 1:1 TAs.
Why have you said it then?
My point was you appeared to attack the poster for doing the belittling when they were merely passing on a quote from a friend in teaching