Alistair Darling finally admits Labour have screwed up BIG

[Uncle Spielberg]

Personally, I have yet to actually experience any 'crisis' or credit crunch.
So for the time being at least, the whole idea of an economic downturn is merely a bunch of words made up by somebody in politics so they can criticize another party.

I'm alright Jack!

I'm alright jack seems to sum up your attitude perfectly

 

[NMH]

you really don't have a clue on this one do you Mr Know it All. Hips add NOTHING to the process and theonly people who do not say that are the government and the hips providers, you conveniently left out the other ones, go on justfiy them and off with the personal insults I do not personally insult you so off, either debate the thing properly or don't bother at all

Where's the personal insults in what I said?

Unless you own the description of a POOR GAMBLER who throws dosh on donkeys?

oh.

 

[NMH]

I'm alright jack seems to sum up your attitude perfectly

I unclog my nose in your
direction, son of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you
heaving second-hand electric donkey bottom biter.
I burst my pimples at you
and call your daughter an unrequested silly thing. You tiny-brained
wiper of other people's bottoms!


Now THAT is some PROPER insulting

 

[Herman the Tosser]

I have not been affected by the so called 'credit crunch' as I am sensible and have not got a 100% mortgage, am not overloaded with credit card debt and have a decent job which will not be binned.

My house value has dropped in the past year but so have all other properties so it is not important unless your property is an investment and not a place to live.

 

[bigc]

I personally think Labour won't collapse or break up(if they didn't in the 1980s, they won't now) and I personally think the honeymoon for the SNP can't go on forever and once that comes to an end, I find it hard to see Scots voting for independence because the majority(at present) are anti it.

In my opinion, this is the chance for all the Tories to fall for the same stuff all the Labour types did in the mid-late 1990s about their opposition simply collapsing. I seem to recall people thought the Conservative party was going to wither away and die at somepoint after several years of flatlining in the polls. But despite all the hyperbole and sensationalist headlines, Labour will surface again like the Tories did.

But I will laugh like hell if that smarmy tosser Clegg takes the Lib Dems under, after their awful performance in the London Elections in May, I could certainly see that as a possibility.

Oh and finally, I don't think this is the worst economic crisis for 60 years, it is hardly a good state of affairs but to bandy around such terms complacently is just as bad as when Gordon was saying how stability was here forever.

It's all in cycles people, it will just keep on turning.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

I foresee Labour splitting into two factions after the next election , True Labour who will go back to the socialist principles that the party was originally founded on and Blue Labour who will re-invent themselves as middle of the road knowing that New Labour is redundant. If the SNP do well in the general election they will press ahead with a referendum on independence which the Scots will vote for as they hate the English.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I foresee Labour splitting into two factions after the next election , True Labour who will go back to the socialist principles that the party was originally founded on and Blue Labour who will re-invent themselves as middle of the road knowing that New Labour is redundant. If the SNP do well in the general election they will press ahead with a referendum on independence which the Scots will vote for as they hate the English.

Personally I'd love to see Scotland as an independent modern European Socialist State. Y'know, one that looks after ALL of its people. It's already a long way down that road. Much more so than England which would do well to declare independence of a sort before everybody else bales out of the UK. But do you REALLY want to live in a country that knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. A country full of spivs always after the next deal and greedily eyeing their poxy property values. Hardly a land fit for heroes. You're welcome to it

 

[beorhthelm]

what u dont realise is that these ppl are pawns for the banking cartels and council of foreign relations / trilateral commission / bilderberg group. this 'credit crunch' is planned.....like all others throughout history have been.

research the rothschild dynasty (shock horror, not via mainstream media) or watch part 3 of Zeitgeist - The Movie and get a better idea of what is REALLY going on.

[...] in the next few years the economy is going to crash BIG TIME, my advice - sell your house.

do grow up and engage the brain you where born with. that zeitgeist filem is so full of conflict and ill-informed propaganda im amazed that anyone believes it. the end of the film dresses up "quotes" of a member of the Rothschild family, but is actually statments claimed by someone else who is themselves now dead. its about as reliable as a conversation down the pub.

and if you sell your house, wher eyou going to live? that why property is safe, even in the worse crahs people are still going to need to live somewhere, if you dont own you have to rent. id rather own in debt than rent in servitude.

Personally I'd love to see Scotland as an independent modern European Socialist State. Y'know, one that looks after ALL of its people.

it will be an interesting experiment, especially to see just how quickly the financial sector decampe south of the border. just how will they afford to do it? presumably they will survive on massive handouts from EU rather than jsut us.

 

[mattb]

i don't see how it's the worst "crisis" in 60 years whatsoever

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Darling's approach may be more tactical than it appears. If we all accept that the economy is in crisis and that the Tories are a government in waiting then people will look to find real evidence that the Tories have some credible policies for managing the crisis. For all I know DC may have some brilliant strategies for doing this, now we may find out what they are.

 

[e77]

What isn't Labour's fault is the credit crunch coming from the US and demand for fuel coming from China and India.

What is Labour's fault is they claimed credit for ten year's of economic good times so have to take criticism when it goes wrong.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Nah. Greener in Scotland but Plaid Cymru are not the force they once were in Wales. The Tories are political heavyweights still there.

As for the Lib Dems, sorry but if they can't do better than mid-teens in the polls with such an unpopular government, they are a protest party after all!!! then no - they won't do very well at all this election.

England and Wales will go a rather pleasant shade of blue.

The Tories are still political heavyweights in Wales? I think your optimism about Labour losing the the next General Election is clouding your judgement somewhat there.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

There was a lovely little article in the Times a few months back. Something like "Shout, but don't shout too loudly". It focused on the crime reductions in this country.

One thing that always puzzles me is that pro-labour supporters talk about increases/reductions from '97. Now things do not start when there is a change in govt. Political policies do not make a change overnight. The seeds are sowed long before that.

This article in question was focusing on crime levels. There were huge drops between '97 and '01. Now when Labour put in their own policies, the drops in crime decreased quite dramatically comparatively. Why? Good old Labour knew better, just as they did when they were coining it in during the property boom. Where is this money? Is it going to give tax relief to those who can't afford to heat their homes? Is it going to prop up the economy in our hour of need? Are we up shit creek?

What party put VAT on fuel to heat homes?

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Bugger me. That's certainly a new twist on the "it's all the Tories fault" line.

Are you really claiming that, as that is really really really crap. Sorry MoH but that's just SHITE.

They've been in power for 11 years. That's long enough for them to take responsibility for the mess. Sorry but you can't pin this on the Tories.

Yes but how many people on here have clamied that New Labour just copied the Tories policy on the economy and benefited from all their work?
You can't have it both ways, either Labour were responsible for the good times in the economy in the late 90's and early 00's and the bad times now, or the Tories were.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

This is a myth peddled by Reds. Cameron has some excellent ideas and policies. His speech at their conference last year was one of the greatest political speeches of all time.

Do behave! One of the greatest political speeches of all time?

 

[brunswick]

two words about all this economy / labour / conservative ranting.

bilderberg and derivatives.


without knowledge of these subjects you will talk as the mainstream media wants you to talk - do your OWN investigations and wisen up.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

What isn't Labour's fault is the credit crunch coming from the US and demand for fuel coming from China and India.

What is Labour's fault is they claimed credit for ten year's of economic good times so have to take criticism when it goes wrong.

That's fair enough comment

 

[NMH]

two words about all this economy / labour / conservative ranting.

bilderberg and derivatives.


without knowledge of these subjects you will talk as the mainstream media wants you to talk - do your OWN investigations and wisen up.

Word.
People lap up the spin. It's contrived to sway public opinion, and the parties not in power, basically always whip up some negative spin regardless of any truth of substance behind it.
The tories criticize every labour move or if they can't - they claim that they stole their ideas! riiiiight

According to some, and because the papers tell them, we are in the worst depression/recession - and that's the sort of talk that does the damage to the economy!
House prices fluctuate, and (as mentioned before) if you have a house for living in - it's value remains comparable to the rest of the house market, so nothing changed for you.

Personally, I don't believe Cameron (for instance) has ANYTHING to offer in the way of constructive leadership, any more than GW Bush does.

 

[Dave the OAP]

rather than being affected by the credit cruch, I think the really worrying thing facing people this winter, espeacially those people on fixed incomes, like pensioners people on benefits etc is the hikes in fuel bills.

the governmet made a huge thing about giving a £300 odd fuel bill givaway last year, but with prices going up 35 and 40%, this must be a real issue.

Ok so the housing market is dying on its feet, and people cannot get mortgages, but it may mean that people do not take on debt they cannot possibly afford...like 6x salary mortages ( or 120% mortgages!!)

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Ok so the housing market is dying on its feet, and people cannot get mortgages, but it may mean that people do not take on debt they cannot possibly afford...like 6x salary mortages ( or 120% mortgages!!)

Can only be good news for first-time buyers. People will still need to buy houses and people will still need to sell houses. It just means that they'll do so at a more realistic level. It's a wake up call for a country uniquely obsessed by such things.

Oh, and hopefully all these Property Spiv telly presenters will join the ranks of the long term unemployed