Alistair Darling finally admits Labour have screwed up BIG

[Buzzer]

Try it for yourself

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/

I'm going for Tories 47%, Labour 22% and Libs 16% This give a majority of 250 over Labour and just look at the political map after that:

 

[vulture]

the tories are 25% ahead in the polls...in the history of this country no party has ever come close to making up a gap that big.....Labour and the scots wankers that run this great country England will go down in history as the people that killed off the labour party

 

[steward 433]

I reckon it will be more Green and Yellow than that buzzer!

 

[Beach Hut]

So when New Labour is a dead party what will it be rebranded to ?

Another New Labour............

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I see that Norman Baker survives.

 

[Buzzer]

I reckon it will be more Green and Yellow than that buzzer!

Nah. Greener in Scotland but Plaid Cymru are not the force they once were in Wales. The Tories are political heavyweights still there.

As for the Lib Dems, sorry but if they can't do better than mid-teens in the polls with such an unpopular government, they are a protest party after all!!! then no - they won't do very well at all this election.

England and Wales will go a rather pleasant shade of blue.

 

[Beach Hut]

I see that Norman Baker survives.

Always look for the positives.....................

 

[Barrel of Fun]

There was a lovely little article in the Times a few months back. Something like "Shout, but don't shout too loudly". It focused on the crime reductions in this country.

One thing that always puzzles me is that pro-labour supporters talk about increases/reductions from '97. Now things do not start when there is a change in govt. Political policies do not make a change overnight. The seeds are sowed long before that.

This article in question was focusing on crime levels. There were huge drops between '97 and '01. Now when Labour put in their own policies, the drops in crime decreased quite dramatically comparatively. Why? Good old Labour knew better, just as they did when they were coining it in during the property boom. Where is this money? Is it going to give tax relief to those who can't afford to heat their homes? Is it going to prop up the economy in our hour of need? Are we up shit creek?

 

[Buzzer]

I see that Norman Baker survives.

I've tried so many combinations to get Lewes blue too!!

 

[clapham_gull]

I don't align myself to any political party. I have views about certain things, and have been abused on here as being some sort of New Labour apologist, but the fact of the matter is that I've never put my cross against the lot that current run our country.

I do however find it depressing that an Etonian who has decided to enter into the "edgy" world of PR finds himself in pole position by riding a bike around and getting a few minutes of video on YouTube.

I find quite laughable however is that people somehow link him to the Golden Age of Thatcherism.

From what I remember and read about her, she was very very much the outsider when she became the leader of the party. She was as much different to Tory party as the time as Blair was different to the Labour party he took over.

People forget that and have very very short memories.

Can't see myself voting at the next election, like I didn't the last time. Pretty envious of the USA at the moment where a vote the ballot box will feel like a real political statement. How we wish....

 

[algie]

I don't align myself to any political party. I have views about certain things, and have been abused on here as being some sort of New Labour apologist, but the fact of the matter is that I've never put my cross against the lot that current run our country.

I do however find it depressing that an Etonian who has decided to enter into the "edgy" world of PR finds himself in pole position by riding a bike around and getting a few minutes of video on YouTube.

What I find quite laughable however is that people somehow link him to the Golden Age of Thatcherism.

What what I remember and read about her, she was very very much the outsider when she became the leader of the party. She was as much different to Tory party as the time as Blair was different to the Labour party he took over.

People forget that and have very very short memories.

Can't see myself voting at the next election, like I didn't the last time. Pretty envious of the USA at the moment where a vote the ballot box will feel like a real political statement. How we wish....

I don't align myself to any political party

 

[clapham_gull]

I don't align myself to any political party

Nope. Never voted for them, bored of the times I've told you that on here.

My views on things are based on my personal view on the world.

If not then you are simply thinking what your personal preference at the ballot box tells you, or what your buy as a newspaper likes to think you are thinking.

Sometimes I'm wrong and naive (we're all are) but I can look myself in the mirror and say that my views aren't based on hatred, fear, self interest or pity.

If you can do the same, then you're welcome to smile.

 

[Beach Hut]

I don't align myself to any political party. I have views about certain things, and have been abused on here as being some sort of New Labour apologist, but the fact of the matter is that I've never put my cross against the lot that current run our country.

I do however find it depressing that an Etonian who has decided to enter into the "edgy" world of PR finds himself in pole position by riding a bike around and getting a few minutes of video on YouTube.

I find quite laughable however is that people somehow link him to the Golden Age of Thatcherism.

From what I remember and read about her, she was very very much the outsider when she became the leader of the party. She was as much different to Tory party as the time as Blair was different to the Labour party he took over.

People forget that and have very very short memories.

Can't see myself voting at the next election, like I didn't the last time. Pretty envious of the USA at the moment where a vote the ballot box will feel like a real political statement. How we wish....

Get real, how can you say Thatcher was an outsider ?

If she was she soon become the special one as she led the Tories to glory which will thankfully be back on the agenda shortly.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

This is not aimed at you CG, but I do find it funny that people devalue the opinion of a person/politician, simply because he went to Eton or a boarding school or were privately educated. Does someone have to experience the 'dregs' of society before they are a worthy leader? Why should that be held against someone? I would be delighted to have a leader of the country that has been well educated. Does going to a private school mean that they are devoid of all senses?

 

[steward 433]

This is not aimed at you CG, but I do find it funny that people devalue the opinion of a person/politician, simply because he went to Eton or a boarding school or were privately educated. Does someone have to experience the 'dregs' of society before they are a worthy leader? Why should that be held against someone? I would be delighted to have a leader of the country that has been well educated. Does going to a private school mean that they are devoid of all senses?

After reading one certain posters posts on here i have to catagorically say ............................................................ HELL YEAH!!!!!!

 

[Manthorpee]

Bnp Is The Way Forward

 

[clapham_gull]

Get real, how can you say Thatcher was an outsider ?

If she was she soon become the special one as she led the Tories to glory which will thankfully be back on the agenda shortly.

Thatcher was very much an ""outsider" when she became leader of the Tory Party.

I'm not criticising her when I state that, it's just historical fact. She was probably more aligned to the way the country was feeling at the time, then her party.

She knew it herself, which is where the famous phrase "One of Us ?" comes from.

Just like Blair (and New Labour) she had the fight against the traditionalist in her party to become leader as much as the opposition.

Like Blair it made her what she was.

 

[steward 433]

Night all

 

[algie]

Night all

 

[clapham_gull]

This is not aimed at you CG, but I do find it funny that people devalue the opinion of a person/politician, simply because he went to Eton or a boarding school or were privately educated. Does someone have to experience the 'dregs' of society before they are a worthy leader? Why should that be held against someone? I would be delighted to have a leader of the country that has been well educated. Does going to a private school mean that they are devoid of all senses?

Fair point, but it was aimed at the Etonian PR wing , just the the New Labour PR wing (which is also probably part of the Etonian PR wing)

I've just very bored of politics and find myself having more respect for David Davies and his personal stance than anyone else to be honest.