Alistair Darling finally admits Labour have screwed up BIG

[DJ Leon]

A lot of good and sensible things over 75 minutes.

Oh come on US, you just called it one of the greatest political speeches of all time - what did he say?!

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

What did he say?

You asked for it, here it is, Colin may want to read up on it as he used to tired , lazy, old " he has no policies " mantra of the Reds.

David Cameron: Conference speech in full

 

[Man of Harveys]

This is a myth peddled by Reds. Cameron has some excellent ideas and policies. His speech at their conference last year was one of the greatest political speeches of all time.

There we have it - Garth's endorsement. No further questions your honour.

 

[Brian Potter]

Neither can I, regardless of how they are doing nationally we have a Labour MP here who is doing an excellent job for his constituency, sadly he is one of the most vulnerable to even a small swing to the Tories.

Likewise. My local MP is labour, and is actually a very good local MP who I have met several times and have found to be a thoroughly decent bloke with the interests of his constituency at heart (probably because he is actually from this area and not parachuted in). But to vote for him next time means that I endorse the current crop of misfits. This constituency is by no means a safe seat (Lab took it off the Tories in '97 after Peter Bottomley jumped to the safe seat of Worthing.) so I can't just go and vote on a national viewpoint without running the risk of losing a very good local MP. This is one of the pardoxes of our electoral system.

 

[Man of Harveys]

You really don't want to like him. Do you? Can't quite pin the nasty tag on him so pick on his class. Hey, let's all laugh because he's posh. And therefore dim.

Whatever gets you through the day, Colin.

I just prefer BRAVE politicians, Lee. Like ones that aren't scared to say what they believe in and what they're planning to do if they achieve power and how what they do might affect people's lives. Not flimsy ones that clearly don't even have a pair of balls big enough to say anything of any substance, nor apparently any discernible brain. I'm just old-fashioned that way.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Colin, have you read the speech and looked into his ideas or are you just coming from a position of prejudice and ignornance ?.

 

[NMH]

Personally, I have yet to actually experience any 'crisis' or credit crunch.
So for the time being at least, the whole idea of an economic downturn is merely a bunch of words made up by somebody in politics so they can criticize another party.

I'm alright Jack!

 

[NMH]

Bugger me. That's certainly a new twist on the "it's all the Tories fault" line.

Are you really claiming that, as that is really really really crap. Sorry MoH but that's just SHITE.

They've been in power for 11 years. That's long enough for them to take responsibility for the mess. Sorry but you can't pin this on the Tories.

Okay then, I'll invite you or anyone who is in this apparent "mess", to describe to me how it is affecting them directly.
Bearing in mind that anyone can lose a job, so it will have to be a job lost through political wrongdoing.
Everyone across the World is affected by oil prices, and the Chinese expansion in consumption, so that's another criterion to look past.

Mess, what mess?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Hips
Stamp Duty Dithering
Northern Rock Fiasco
Private Pensions Crisis

 

[DJ Leon]

You asked for it, here it is, Colin may want to read up on it as he used to tired , lazy, old " he has no policies " mantra of the Reds.

David Cameron: Conference speech in full

No, I didn't ask for that link, I asked you what he said in what you called one of the greatest polictical speeches of all time. You don't actually know, do you?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Er, the speech I linked has the details. It would a great speech with a lot of things I agreed with. In fact the next week Labour nicked his Inheritance Tax idea and raised it.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Hips
Stamp Duty Dithering
Northern Rock Fiasco
Private Pensions Crisis

Can counter that with four positives that would never have been introduced under a Tory government and which - crazy talk here! - actually benefit the populace as a whole, rather than just savers, spivs and speculators

- Introduction of the minimum wage
- Massive investment in the NHS
- Massive investment in the rail network

Oh, and one for the benefit of everyone even if they're too thick to realise it...

- Introduction of a smoking ban in public places

Like Dick Knight (I think) once said about his football managers, 'All I ask is that they leave the club in a better state than they found it'

With the shameful exception of B.Liar's complicity in the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq, Labour can leave office with their heads held high.

And on the subject of B.Liar, there's been ONE MILLION Labour voters not voting Labour while that crunt's been in office. They'll be back at the next election to wipe the smug grin off Cameron's face

 

[NMH]

Hips
Stamp Duty Dithering
Northern Rock Fiasco
Private Pensions Crisis

HIPS are something the torys snipe at with alacrity. They would all obviously prefer to spend several hundred thousand pounds on something without having it inspected first, and would like you the public to step over the same cliff into the dark unknown.

OR, for a mere few hundred quid you can have a full report that will actually also assist you in negotiating the price of the house you are buying (perhaps saving you way more than the HIPS report)

So, HIPS are a bad thing are they?? Well yes, they might be to a POOR GAMBLER who will throw money into the fates on crippled nags that sometimes don't even finish!

Northern Rock was baled out by this government, as an alternative to their customers all totally losing their shirts. I suppose THAT wouldn't affect your economy..... or would it?

 

[beorhthelm]

Labour may have no control over the economy, but it's preferable to the deliberate 'boom and bust' strategy that the Conservative ran through the 80s. I wonder if Cameron will do the same when he comes in?

dont bleieve that propaganda, no Goverment has a deliberate policy of "boom and bust", at best they want and encourage strong growth, both parts of the "boom and bust" show that they have lost control.

When Labour had the choices to spend every single penny forecast to come in, even after 5-6 years when they knew it had been a good run but they where having to re-adjust the "golden rule" and their definitions of the ecoconomic cycle, they screwed themselves. If they had spent a little more wisely, if they had focused on capital projects rather than "inititives" and they hadnt thrown our money around on every dumb consultancy lead crackpot idea, they could stand there and blame the world economy and we wouldnt be sitting here talking of recession as they'd still be money in the pot now to spend when we need it.

anyway, this "worse in 60 years" is panicing and shows a government in disarray. i dont know if its a ploy in some reverse psychology way or they just want to f*** it up really bad so the Conseratives have a bad time too. let history assess the state of the recession, right now Darling and Labour should be trying to fix it not f*** us up further.

If you take away the credit crunch (mainly down to the greed and stupidity of the US banks) and the soaring oil prices (partly fuelled by the greed of global commodity traders) then about the only thing that can be pinned on the Labour government is the 10 tence tax rate fiasco.

slight side issue, but i'll also pin on Labour the raping of the pension funds to the tune of £5bn a year (orginainl take int he first year, probably far more now) leading to the closing of final salary pensions across the board. thats a nice little present for everyone under 50 to deal with in the future.

 

[ridda]

Seems that way to me. I really think that it is time for a change and the Tories can't do worse than Labour

Oh yes they can.

 

[Gully]

Can counter that with four positives that would never have been introduced under a Tory government and which - crazy talk here! - actually benefit the populace as a whole, rather than just savers, spivs and speculators

Agree with you on the positives, millions have benefitted from them...add to the list Civil Partnerships and giving the Bank of England the right to set interest rates, can't imagine the Tories ever having gone ahead with those.

 

[brunswick]

what u dont realise is that these ppl are pawns for the banking cartels and council of foreign relations / trilateral commission / bilderberg group. this 'credit crunch' is planned.....like all others throughout history have been.

research the rothschild dynasty (shock horror, not via mainstream media) or watch part 3 of Zeitgeist - The Movie and get a better idea of what is REALLY going on.


research derivatives - dont know what these are do you? there is a reason you don't know - that is that the western economy is worth next to nothing and has done for years - in the next few years the economy is going to crash BIG TIME, my advice - sell your house.

cue....this is conspiracy nonsense, peak and troughs all the time in the economy, bbc knows best and never lies.

 

[glasfryn]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7589291.stm

No more boom and bust? Best chancellor ever? Getting on with the job? Britain is well-placed to weather the credit crunch - no, it's the worst economic crisis in 60 YEARS!

Listen, Gordon, Alistair. We're in the shit. BIG TIME. You've admitted that. Do the decent thing, eh - for the sake of the country, just go. Please.

Part of me wishes that would happen lose the next election big time and let the tories back in and even with this so called "country in a shit state" crisis it would never be as bad as the tories left it last time.

its a world crisis caused by the oil rich.
what mind blowing policies are the tories going to use to get us out of the credit crunch.
they have a leadership who rely on personal abuse of the other parties and play to the media gallery and of coarse we all believe what they print don't we....................................................like bollocks.....

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

For goodness sake LB give it a rest, Labour are history

People said that about the Tories till Cameron came along!

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

HIPS are something the torys snipe at with alacrity. They would all obviously prefer to spend several hundred thousand pounds on something without having it inspected first, and would like you the public to step over the same cliff into the dark unknown.

OR, for a mere few hundred quid you can have a full report that will actually also assist you in negotiating the price of the house you are buying (perhaps saving you way more than the HIPS report)

So, HIPS are a bad thing are they?? Well yes, they might be to a POOR GAMBLER who will throw money into the fates on crippled nags that sometimes don't even finish!

Northern Rock was baled out by this government, as an alternative to their customers all totally losing their shirts. I suppose THAT wouldn't affect your economy..... or would it?

you really don't have a clue on this one do you Mr Know it All. Hips add NOTHING to the process and theonly people who do not say that are the government and the hips providers, you conveniently left out the other ones, go on justfiy them and off with the personal insults I do not personally insult you so off, either debate the thing properly or don't bother at all