Adams vs McGhee

[Barrel of Fun]

The way I see it. MA basically had a carte blanche to build a lower league team with players bought to fit into their specialist role. MM has had to reinfornce the team and without the financial prowess of other clubs it can be very much making square pegs fit in round holes....

 

[Uncle Buck]

But he so clearly can't play LB anymore, everytime I saw him last year he was shocking. Reid never imposes himself enough in the middle and Fraser and Chamberlain are still young.

You can argue that he never got a run at the position as McGhee was more interested in playing Reid there. If he is not here to compete for the left back berth then retaining him is a waste of wages as he is way down on the midfield pecking order and playing him there will add to the issues in that area.

 

[Uncle Buck]

At the time, I think you implied it was a decision by the club to encourage an expensive player off our wage bill. I thought at the time there might be possibly something in that.

But surely the decision to keep Kuipers now has exploded that theory somewhat? The falling out with McGhee would have been enough excuse to move him on, instead his apology has been accepted.

Actually nothing to do with the wage issues, more to do with players getting involved in shall we say cliques started up by a now departed talented yet flawed and ultimately troublesome individual. Certain people got involved and paid the price for this.

 

[goldstone]

Adams manages to form a relationship with the players, staff and the fans.

Has mcGhee done this?

He still got to do alot to gain my respect.

McGhee has not shown any loyalty as far as i can see.

What club has come in for him?

Spot on, Mr Mouldy Boots!

McGhee's "loyalty" can only be tested if another club wants him. An unlikely scenario at present I would have thought!

 

[goldstone]

I think most people are in agreement that the money spent on Henderson was money that didn't need to be spent. FDM + one or more understudies would have been quite sufficient. It was patently obvious that having spent a fair old chunk of the club's limited resources on Henderson, FDM was going to be ousted the first time he had a less than sparkling game. No wonder he wasn't happy with the manager.

Agree with that comment. We needed players in other positions a lot more than we needed another goalie and the money could have been better spent.

 

[Turkey]

I think most people are in agreement that the money spent on Henderson was money that didn't need to be spent. FDM + one or more understudies would have been quite sufficient. It was patently obvious that having spent a fair old chunk of the club's limited resources on Henderson, FDM was going to be ousted the first time he had a less than sparkling game. No wonder he wasn't happy with the manager.

I think thats nonsense! £20,000 for an International Goalkeeper? Bargain. It's not like we were going to sign a striker to save us from relegation for £20,000! If/When Henderson moves on, I'd like to think we'll make a fair whack on him. Very good bit of business. I don't disagree that Kuipers and a youngster would have been sufficient but £20,000! Fantastic bit of business.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I think thats nonsense! £20,000 for an International Goalkeeper? Bargain. It's not like we were going to sign a striker to save us from relegation for £20,000! If/When Henderson moves on, I'd like to think we'll make a fair whack on him. Very good bit of business. I don't disagree that Kuipers and a youngster would have been sufficient but £20,000! Fantastic bit of business.

Quite! We saw a business opportunity and went for it.

Kuipers (injury prone?) was creeping back to full fitness and the youngsters were not ready to take on the full duties.

£20k is a drop in the ocean when you are looking at buying outfield players of the calibre we needed.

 

[chez]

Mickey Adams Albion Legend

McGhee just another manager.

Mickey Adams is nowhere near a Brighton Legend. I rate him more for what he has done for the club since he left , i.e. attendance on marches etc., than for things he did while manager. Ordinary manager that got lucky with the Zammo signing IMO.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Mickey Adams is nowhere near a Brighton Legend. I rate him more for what he has done for the club since he left , i.e. attendance on marches etc., than for things he did while manager. Ordinary manager that got lucky with the Zammo signing IMO.

And Cullip, Morgan, Brooker, Jones, Chippy, Rogers and Oatway?

 

[chez]

And Cullip, Morgan, Brooker, Jones, Chippy, Rogers and Oatway?

What about them? McGhee could have bought them in as well, but had he have done everyone on here would be slatting him because these exact players you mention wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference to our final league position last season. Adams had a bit of cash to get freebies in to get us out of the bottom division. McGhee had, granted, more cash, but he had the challenge of making a team to compete with international class players week in week out. 2 completely differnet scenarios which cant be compared.

Lastly, if you put McGhee in the position Adams was in when he first came to the club I would bet money on McGhee getting the same results as Adams. I doubt Adams would have had much more success, if any in the scenario which McGhee has been doing his job in.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

These rose tinted glasses you talk about - are you wearing any?

Mickey Adams did not walk out on Fulham he acheived promotion and got sacked because they wanted a higher profile manager Kevin Keegan.

Hardly fair in those circumstances!

As for MA treatment to FDM it worked he played some excellent stuff from there on being a key member of our team.
MM treatment of trolley was humilating to him aswell did it turn out to work for the team.




I would also suggest it hasn't worked his handling of Kuipersgate as we had an young inexperience keeper in Hendo not performing well when we needed it most and no one to turn to.
Let's hope we can see the great Dutchman in proper contention for a 1st team place.

I respected Mickey Adams and understood his reasons to move on and i am sure 99% of fans could understand it.

I am not saying MA is the best manager in the league but he is someone who appears to learn by any mistakes where it does not appear a certain Mr McGhee can.

Mickey Adams

Mark McGhee

Yes sorry getting mixed up with Fulham and Swansea...........He walked from Swansea after his budget was revealed. After a very short time i believe? ?

Could'nt imagine he would want to work with our present budget do you?

No Mickey Adams is not the best manager in the League and by the same yardstick MM is not the worst

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

Lastly, if you put McGhee in the position Adams was in when he first came to the club I would bet money on McGhee getting the same results as Adams.

I very much doubt that.

Money isn't enough to get out of the lower leagues - Northampton, to name just one team, have spent years and an absolute fortune trying to do just that, to little success.

What Adams did was create a team with incredible spirit and self-belief, supplemented by quality. I seem to recall Cardiff spending tons the year we won the league, but we finished well ahead of them thanks to these qualities - qualities which McGhee just isn't capable of installing in his team.

 

[Simster]

I don't think it's an easy comparison. When Adams was running Albion, his first full season in charge was of a reborn club, taking 4,000 to the first London away game, having had 27,000 applications for the first match back in Brighton. And we finally had a playing budget, which Adams made full use of.

Then for first half season (after the opening 3 games) we turned absolute shit. Not surprisingly, this was 2 games after Glover had predicted we'd go through the season unbeaten

Then he struck lucky and landed Zamora (only because Pinnamonte wasn't available at the right price!) and got us half way to being promoted again. However, my memories of him are tainted because he touted himself round like a football whore which seemed breathtakingly arrogant at the time. Peter Taylor was more of a decent man, because he did the decent thing by doing the job he was paid to do and honoured his contract. He left us sitting pretty and it was only boardroom imcompetence that meant we got relegated.

McGhee on the other hand had done a great job (like Adams, with a bit of luck) as a small fish in a big pond until last season when we were diabolical. He is however, yet to walk out in the way Adams did.

 

[chez]

I very much doubt that.

Money isn't enough to get out of the lower leagues - Northampton, to name just one team, have spent years and an absolute fortune trying to do just that, to little success.

What Adams did was create a team with incredible spirit and self-belief, supplemented by quality. I seem to recall Cardiff spending tons the year we won the league, but we finished well ahead of them thanks to these qualities - qualities which McGhee just isn't capable of installing in his team.

I can see what your saying about team spirit but as is mentioned on the post above - the club despite being in the lowest division were on a high, what with "coming home" and all, and this IMO was the reason there was such a harmony within the team/fans and not Micky Adams doing.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

l. He is however, yet to walk out in the way Adams did.

He has not been offered a better job like Adams was.

 

[bhaexpress]

He has not been offered a better job like Adams was.

Its fair to say that he's a bloke riding on the crest of a slump unlike MA and therefore isn't a great proposition. Rightly or wrongly I reckon that McGhee is only here as it would be costly to sack him and naturally I don't blame him for not walking. I would also say that his job isn't easy and with all the limitations I don't think anybody else would be a whole lot better.

 

[Icy Gull]

He has not been offered a better job like Adams was.

Assistant manager at Celtic must be as good as assistant manager at bottom of the table Leicester even wearing your black no vision anti-Mcghee glasses, surely

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Assistant manager at Celtic must be as good as assistant manager at bottom of the table Leicester even wearing your black no vision anti-Mcghee glasses, surely

I think you mean an unconfirmed offer for an assistant job at Celtic must be as good as a job offer at Leicester wher you are oing to take over as manager the followig year.

 

[westy]

Adams did well, no question.

Fact is though, as someone pointed out on here b4, he simply went to Fulham, signed the backbone of the team he had there and then got VERY lucky with the Bobby signing. Know one is really sure who signed Bobby either. Did DK get a tip off about him or do you really think Adams happened to be watching Bristol Rovers reserves and "spotted" him? We will never know.

Fact is McGhee kept us up season b4 last against all the odds by getting the players organized, grinding out 1-0 wins and discovering someone who could put the ball in the net on a pretty regular basis (Mc Virgo). Remind you of anyone else?.. Yes, Adams. Adams did the same in his time here. Organization, grinding out 1-0 wins normally courtesy of a Bobby dazzler.

McGhee may have been able to keep us up again last year but for loosing Virgs, Currie, Harding, Leons motivation etc etc, but it was a tough ask without those lads.

Its fair to say both have done well for us, and all the time we have no real ground it will always be a struggle. We all want to see us do well and moaning at McGhee from the stands wont help.

Get behind the team this year, as delia would say, "be the 12th man" or whatever the pissed bint said!!!

 

[Les Biehn]

Adams did well, no question.

Fact is though, as someone pointed out on here b4, he simply went to Fulham, signed the backbone of the team he had there and then got VERY lucky with the Bobby signing. Know one is really sure who signed Bobby either. Did DK get a tip off about him or do you really think Adams happened to be watching Bristol Rovers reserves and "spotted" him? We will never know.

Fact is McGhee kept us up season b4 last against all the odds by getting the players organized, grinding out 1-0 wins and discovering someone who could put the ball in the net on a pretty regular basis (Mc Virgo). Remind you of anyone else?.. Yes, Adams. Adams did the same in his time here. Organization, grinding out 1-0 wins normally courtesy of a Bobby dazzler.

McGhee may have been able to keep us up again last year but for loosing Virgs, Currie, Harding, Leons motivation etc etc, but it was a tough ask without those lads.

Its fair to say both have done well for us, and all the time we have no real ground it will always be a struggle. We all want to see us do well and moaning at McGhee from the stands wont help.

Get behind the team this year, as delia would say, "be the 12th man" or whatever the pissed bint said!!!

What an excellent post dear boy.