According to the Telegraph we've voted to ban the Burqa

[alfredmizen]

The bloke behind me is a muslim, a sound bloke, and very moderate. His wife chooses to wear a burkha, he doesn't care whether she does one way or the other. It is indeed a free choice.

seriously mate , moderate he may claim to be but how on earth can his wife possibly fit into a modern western lifestyle/country ? she cant at all , and the more women that adopt it the more the two different lifestyles will become polarised , ''welcome to the company dinner and dance mrs moderate muslims wife , bit hot under all that black stuff ?'' ,'' fancy popping round to the bbq the neighbours are having , dont worry everybody else will be in shorts and flip flops, but im sure you wont stand out in your head to toe black covering , and people will be perfectly comfortable talking to what is essentially a pair of eyes'' , it just doesnt work in a modern country with the culture we have.

 

[Soulman]

seriously mate , moderate he may claim to be but how on earth can his wife possibly fit into a modern western lifestyle/country ? she cant at all , and the more women that adopt it the more the two different lifestyles will become polarised , ''welcome to the company dinner and dance mrs moderate muslims wife , bit hot under all that black stuff ?'' ,'' fancy popping round to the bbq the neighbours are having , dont worry everybody else will be in shorts and flip flops, but im sure you wont stand out in your head to toe black covering , and people will be perfectly comfortable talking to what is essentially a pair of eyes'' , it just doesnt work in a modern country with the culture we have.

TBF the bhurka does come in handy at bbq's, perfect for hiding sausages and burgers for the old mans pack up next day. Might even get a few tins away as well.

 

[The Clamp]

seriously mate , moderate he may claim to be but how on earth can his wife possibly fit into a modern western lifestyle/country ? she cant at all , and the more women that adopt it the more the two different lifestyles will become polarised , ''welcome to the company dinner and dance mrs moderate muslims wife , bit hot under all that black stuff ?'' ,'' fancy popping round to the bbq the neighbours are having , dont worry everybody else will be in shorts and flip flops, but im sure you wont stand out in your head to toe black covering , and people will be perfectly comfortable talking to what is essentially a pair of eyes'' , it just doesnt work in a modern country with the culture we have.

No doubt people would double take. Natural. Then they may get chatting away and everyone has a good time with someone who has a slightly different outlook but is essentially the same. A human. Unless you're there, in which case it'd probably be a bit shit anyway.

 

[Eeyore]

Why are we wanting to ban the burqa exactly ? What threat is the person wearing it causing ? I personally think it is a strange item of clothing. But then again, I am far less uncomfortable with that than seeing blokes and woman walking around with the top of their backsides hanging out of tight shorts.

If we live in a 'free country' that supports freedom of expression then we should put up with it- lest we start to afford more rights to those who we deem as 'like us'. Then again, even 'like us' is a prejudicial phrase.

So, unless someone is deemed to be using such a garment for criminal activity, what are the reasons for wanting to ban it ? I don't like it, but I will fight for someones right, unforced, to wear it.

 

[Buzzer]

No doubt people would double take. Natural. Then they may get chatting away and everyone has a good time with someone who has a slightly different outlook but is essentially the same. A human. Unless you're there, in which case it'd probably be a bit shit anyway.

Ignoring that snide last comment, I'll refer you to that Jack Straw article. Given that he was the Blackburn MP he no doubt found himself in countless situations where women in burqas were there and he still found it impossible to communicate with these women. If he says he always had a problem then I reckon it's a dead cert that the likes of you and me would too. Jack Straw thinks that the burqa is "...such a visible statement of separation and of difference."

And given all that, is at at all likely that a woman who chooses to wear a burqa would go along to a company social bash? Jack Straw's comments and opinions more or less tie up with AlfredMizen's.

 

[pastafarian]

A majority of the British public are in favour of banning the burqa in public, a poll has found, while almost half say the burkini should be prohibited.

When did this poll take place.

The Telegraph article provides a link to the Yougov page that gives this information.

and how many people were actually asked?

Same as above.

How do they know it's the majority of the British public, unless all of the public were asked.
It's a stupid ignorant statement, imo.

Have you ever heard of a poll that did ask all of the public?

 

[The Clamp]

Ignoring that snide last comment, I'll refer you to that Jack Straw article. Given that he was the Blackburn MP he no doubt found himself in countless situations where women in burqas were there and he still found it impossible to communicate with these women. If he says he always had a problem then I reckon it's a dead cert that the likes of you and me would too. Jack Straw thinks that the burqa is "...such a visible statement of separation and of difference."

And given all that, is at at all likely that a woman who chooses to wear a burqa would go along to a company social bash? Jack Straw's comments and opinions more or less tie up with AlfredMizen's.

Good for Jack. That's his experience. I have never found it remotely difficult communicating with people in Burqas. Guess it all boils down to experience combined with open mindedness.

 

[Soulman]

I have never found it remotely difficult communicating with people in Burqas.

Sounds like you have spoken to many Nibble, or perhaps a bit more Walter Mitty moments.

 

[Not nick rhodes]

Good for Jack. That's his experience. I have never found it remotely difficult communicating with people in Burqas. Guess it all boils down to experience combined with open mindedness.

You are not being open minded you are simply excusing the outward sign ie the burqa that represents a poisonous ideology or extremist Islam that treats women like 2nd class or even 3rd class citizens. Decent people surely should take a stand and so no this is not right for women to have to cover their face like that. It is not cultural it is controlling from a poisonous extreme ideology.

 

[alfredmizen]

No doubt people would double take. Natural. Then they may get chatting away and everyone has a good time with someone who has a slightly different outlook but is essentially the same. A human. Unless you're there, in which case it'd probably be a bit shit anyway.

Yes, true, after a few minutes chatting away i doubt you'd even notice she was wearing one

 

[alfredmizen]

Good for Jack. That's his experience. I have never found it remotely difficult communicating with people in Burqas. Guess it all boils down to experience combined with open mindedness.

I very much doubt youve ever spoken to one , i lived in tower hamlets for a couple of years and in that time it happened once.

 

[Captain Sensible]

I visit the Middle East for work occasionally. I was doing some work at Muscat airport. 2 Women and a gentlemen approached and asked me a question, thinking I worked for an airline. The women were wearing Burqa's, I was expecting the Man to speak, but heard this woman's voice, I didn't hear what she said, the two women were standing quite close to each other and I couldn't tell who said it. I leaned closer and asked the woman (whichever one) to repeat the question, when a tap on the shoulder came from the man, I turned around and he said 'don't get close to the women'. I was taken back, I was about a foot or so away when I leaned forward, I felt quite insulted. I sent them to the desk and thought about it for a while. I just don't understand why the man thought I would want to get near his women, I couldn't see the women, I couldn't even make out who was speaking. I now assume the woman spoke as her English was better than the mans, clearly well educated as her English seemed OK. I relayed the incident to an employee of the airline, he told me that the women have their own space and the man polices it, I must have gotten too close for his liking. When I said it actually upset me that he thinks I want to get near his women, he told me it is just cultural and the man most likely didn't think I would want to get near his women for any sexual reason, but just that he polices it and that's it. When I asked for the ideology behind the Burqa and not getting too close (even though I have a good idea behind the reason for it), he said it comes from the religion that you must not look at another mans woman and the burqa is there to prevent you getting excited or having bad thoughts (confirming my initial thoughts).
I understand it's cultural, I understand it may be freedom of choice, but is it something we want in our society? I feel it is driven from a male controlled and sexist ideoligy and I don't like it at all. I'm not sure a ban is the right way to go, more education of our society but this has nothing to do with ski masks and crucifixes.

 

[Simster]

No doubt people would double take. Natural. Then they may get chatting away and everyone has a good time with someone who has a slightly different outlook but is essentially the same. A human. Unless you're there, in which case it'd probably be a bit shit anyway.

Whilst I'm against banning the burqa, I'm with alfredmizen on this one. The guy in question is a colleague and a mate, but he's deluded if he thinks his wife dressed in a burqa is not going negatively impact his ability to socialise as a couple in this country.

As an aside, your posts are sometimes quite cringeworthy. There's absolutely no way you've regularly socialised with people wearing burqas so please don't try and give the impression you have.

 

[The Clamp]

I very much doubt youve ever spoken to one , i lived in tower hamlets for a couple of years and in that time it happened once.

That seems to be your default argument, someone says something that opposes your view or perception: "you're lying". How can anyone debate that? It's childlike. May as well cover your eyes and put your fingers in your ears.

I lived in Dubai for a number of years.

You may have lived in Tower Hamlets but, no offence, you don't seem like the kind of person who would go out of their way to make time for our Muslim citizens.

I must add, I do think it is a to social and I do not think it fits in with traditional British culture but it shouldn't be banned. This is just Brexiteers aiding a wave, thinking people will now support every bonkers idea they have. Quite amusing really.

 

[The Clamp]

Whilst I'm against banning the burqa, I'm with alfredmizen on this one. The guy in question is a colleague and a mate, but he's deluded if he thinks his wife dressed in a burqa is not going negatively impact his ability to socialise as a couple in this country.

As an aside, your posts are sometimes quite cringeworthy. There's absolutely no way you've regularly socialised with people wearing burqas so please don't try and give the impression you have.

There's absolutely no way you could know that though is there. In Dubai. During Ramadan, we regularly went to the Iftar at local hotels or even in the radio station.
Now I know you all think you are not allowed to talk to them, not true. Granted it's a bit awkward but if a male relative is present and it's a certain situation or setting, you can of course converse with Muslim women.
You lot need to get out in the world a but and cease judging other people by your own narrow minded standards.
"I lived in Tower Hamlets". It's actually laughable.

Anyway, another interesting thread shot down by NSC's right wing club. You lot really are getting dull. Bye.

 

[Simster]

There's absolutely no way you could know that though is there. In Dubai we regularly went to the Iftar at local hotels or even in the radio station.
Now I know you all think you are not allowed to talk to them, not true. Granted it's a bit awkward but if a male relative is present and it's a certain situation or setting, you can of course converse with Muslim women.
You lot need to get out in the world a but and cease judging other people by your own narrow minded standards.
"I lived in Tower Hamlets". It's actually laughable.

"Now I know you all think..." That's laughable right there. This, coming from a mincing failing actor who grew up in Dorking. Very amusing.

But have it your way, now that you've put us right, "we all think" you're the most world-widely travelled member of the board, and you've definitely spoken to more burqa wearers than anybody else on NSC. If only others were as broad-minded as you.

 

[The Clamp]

"Now I know you all think..." That's laughable right there. This, coming from a mincing failing actor who grew up in Dorking. Very amusing.

But have it your way, now that you've put us right, "we all think" you're the most world-widely travelled member of the board, and you've definitely spoken to more burqa wearers than anybody else on NSC. If only others were as broad-minded as you.

The first part of that post is unintelligible gibberish, the second is just childishly mocking. Hardly the way to be taken seriously.

I'm not declaring myself better travelled or worldy wise than everyone on here, far from it, just a handful of gobby posters who think they can win debates by shouting people down and trolling people off threads. If you don't want to be seen as narrow minded, little englanders, stop typing posts that identify you as exactly that.
I've only been here a few months but it's predictable and dreary.

Honestly. Losing your temper on an Internet forum. Get a grip.

 

[Simster]

The first part of that post is unintelligible gibberish, the second is just childishly mocking. I'm not declaring myself better travelled or worldy wise than everyone on here, far from it, just a handful of gobby posters who think they can win debates by shouting people down and trolling people off threads.
I've only been here a few months but it's predictable and dreary.

Honestly. Losing your temper on an Internet forum. Get a grip.

It's probably gibberish because you haven't read it. I don't recall losing my temper at all on this thread, in fact your comedy posturing is making me chuckle heartily. I also don't see anybody shouting anybody else down.

I will admit I'm childishly mocking you though - it's probably a bit too easy though, so I'll desist.

 

[LamieRobertson]

hand bags down and enjoy the last days of Summer ...not mentioning in what attire

 

[alfredmizen]

"Now I know you all think..." That's laughable right there. This, coming from a mincing failing actor who grew up in Dorking. Very amusing.

But have it your way, now that you've put us right, "we all think" you're the most world-widely travelled member of the board, and you've definitely spoken to more burqa wearers than anybody else on NSC. If only others were as broad-minded as you.