Kneon Light
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ChapmansThe Saviour said:
Why?
Drink-Driving kills and each year hundreds of families are left grieving because of it. It shouldn't be treated lightly.
A. Hinshelwood banned from driving for 16 months........
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Why?
Drink-Driving kills and each year hundreds of families are left grieving because of it. It shouldn't be treated lightly.
Brighton Boy
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Kneon Light said:
You make a good point and it shouldnt be taken lightly. But he didnt kill anyone and he acted like a coward. He should be punished.
Excusing that he is a BHA player at the end of the day and a very good one at that.
I'm confused. What are we debating here? Whether or not he's total prick for drink driving or whether or not he would have grounds for complaint if he was sacked?
Personally I think he's a prick and he would have only himself to blame if he was sacked, although it is down to the employer's discretion.
But beyond that, he's just another dick who's made a mistake - no point villifying him further if he gets what's coming...
Personally I think he's a prick and he would have only himself to blame if he was sacked, although it is down to the employer's discretion.
But beyond that, he's just another dick who's made a mistake - no point villifying him further if he gets what's coming...
Brighton Boy
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On the whole there are alot of the Brighton players who are a complete waste of time of the pitch and he looks like being another one.
Should be banned but not sacked
Should be banned but not sacked
Falmer Dream
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Am I the only 1 who thinks his ability as a footballer is totally irrelevant to this discussion?Brighton Boy said:
I do not call drink driving a mistake. It is a choice made by the person at the time.
I wouldn't call driving away from the scene of an accident a mistake either. That, too, is a deliberate action taken at the time.
Making a mistake is something you do inadvertantly.
He is lucky not to be jailed for his actions.
As to whether he should be sacked or not is a matter for the club. My first husband got done for drink driving in a random test by police. He didn't have an accident or hurt anybody. He lost his licence and his job as he was a sales rep.
The club is fighting hard to appear to be doing good for the community at present and this sort of publicity will harm the cause.
I wouldn't call driving away from the scene of an accident a mistake either. That, too, is a deliberate action taken at the time.
Making a mistake is something you do inadvertantly.
He is lucky not to be jailed for his actions.
As to whether he should be sacked or not is a matter for the club. My first husband got done for drink driving in a random test by police. He didn't have an accident or hurt anybody. He lost his licence and his job as he was a sales rep.
The club is fighting hard to appear to be doing good for the community at present and this sort of publicity will harm the cause.
Kneon Light
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ChapmansThe Saviour said:
Sorry but in my opinion anyone who drinks and then drives is a c**t. There are no excuses for it. Yes everyone does stupid things at times, but no not everyone does stupid things that put innocent lives at risk.
marvin
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bhaexpress said:
And Jimmy Davis killed himself, he could quite conceivably have killed a lot of people if he had hit something other than a 40 ton truck.
I don't think anyone is questioning the seriousness of the crime (and it is a criminal offence) but should he be sacked because of it?
Are we saying that every footballer that commits a crime should be sacked? (I am not in favour of people being sacked simply because they have a conviction, only where that conviction has a bearing on their ability to do the job. IE if you are a van driver and you lose your licence then you get sacked. If you are a bank worker and you get convivted of an honesty offence, but if you are a bank worker who gets committed of a driving offence and you don't drive in your job, should you get sacked?)
BHA have a precedent for someone committing a crime as stated before they were not sacked and I think that was the right thing to do. I would rather it became a part of a contract that they should seek help for their offending than being sacked. After all what would sacking achieve? Deny us a player with potential (may explain why they have not been in contention recently) and give them free of charge to another club. Keep them in let the ho har cool down then get shot if you really want to.
BTW I did not say it was not a social problem for all of society to deal with I said there is a particular problem with professional (esp young ones) footballers that needs addressing some how. As I have said before too much money too soon with no understanding of the responsibility or control.
Yorkie said:
being a closet alcoholic (one who has NEVER drunk driven but has driven the morning after and more than likely been over the limit, maybe done that 4-5 times years ago but not in recent years) I would disagree with that, I know how pissed you can get and simply forget the next day and forever...you may well get in a car and drive.
Alcohol affects people in different ways, I'm not defending Hinsh in anyway way, IMO he should have a 6month jail sentance just for drink-driving/no insurance/driving away from crash etc.
What I am trying to say is that its not always a "choice" as you maybe so hammered and oblivious to your own actions.
Example: I was in Tenerife in 2000 and I lost about 1 hours worth of memory one night (after a fre vodka/foam party I might add) and according to my mates I was wandering around the hotel grounds throwing chairs into the swimming pool and shouting at the Germans for leaving their towels on the deckchairs (as they do) - I dont remember a thing of that! So for all I know I could quite of easily jumped in a car and drove down the road (although I did'nt)
bhaexpress
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Okay, not in anyway condoning his behaviour, there's no excuse for it. Also, I am not concerened about his ability on the pitch either.
He was very stupid and selfish. People get into their cars while 'under the influnence' as more often than not their judgement is impaired. That in itself is not excuse I agree but what purpose would be served if he was to lose his job ? Despite the fact that his job is higher profile than yours or mine would his sacking cause the average drunk to stop and consider of his actions ? Let's face it, Tony Adams for example, didn't kill or even hurt anybody but himself yet he got three months. I doubt that his conduct speaks for the whole of Arsenal FC and I'm sure it won't stop a drunken Gooner thinking that he's safe to drive.
I just can't see what would be acheived by sacking the bloke, even if his sentence was a trifle lenient.
He was very stupid and selfish. People get into their cars while 'under the influnence' as more often than not their judgement is impaired. That in itself is not excuse I agree but what purpose would be served if he was to lose his job ? Despite the fact that his job is higher profile than yours or mine would his sacking cause the average drunk to stop and consider of his actions ? Let's face it, Tony Adams for example, didn't kill or even hurt anybody but himself yet he got three months. I doubt that his conduct speaks for the whole of Arsenal FC and I'm sure it won't stop a drunken Gooner thinking that he's safe to drive.
I just can't see what would be acheived by sacking the bloke, even if his sentence was a trifle lenient.
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Falmer Dream said:
No. I agree.
The fact he plays for us is beside the point. It depends how dim a view the club take of his actions. If the club feel that this is Gross Misconduct, and they sack him it will serve him right. Not only is he incredibly stupid for drink driving in the first place but not stopping and being arrested in a nightclub makes it even worse.
The club could throw the book at him for this not only for the offences he has been charged with but also for bringing the name of the club through the papers and no doubt the insurance the club has on him would have been invalidated.
He needs to learn that he is in a position of responsibility, and that his career is only going to be a relatively short one as it is. Hopefully this will give him the kick up the arse he needs.
The fact that someone has car keys on them when they go to the pub is a choice.
I lived for 22 years with someone who had a drink problem. I know how they rationalise things and make excuses for their drinking.
Making a mistake is a classic excuse.
I lived for 22 years with someone who had a drink problem. I know how they rationalise things and make excuses for their drinking.
Making a mistake is a classic excuse.
bhaexpress
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ChapmansThe Saviour said:
We already knew that anyway.
First class goon. Lee Steele was fined two weeks wages for a similar thing.
However, I don't believe he shouild be punished by the club. He has broken a law and been punished by the legal system. Only a professional driver would lose their job over a similar incident.
A young man has made a stupid mistake. A decent man will put him behind him, realise how lucky he was not to have injured anyone, and learn from his mistake.
However, I don't believe he shouild be punished by the club. He has broken a law and been punished by the legal system. Only a professional driver would lose their job over a similar incident.
A young man has made a stupid mistake. A decent man will put him behind him, realise how lucky he was not to have injured anyone, and learn from his mistake.
Pavilionaire
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I think we should sack him now for a number of reasons:
1. He has dragged the name of Brighton and Hove Albion through the mud at a crucial time in our history, any anti-Falmer supporter reading this story will not be surprised at another yob footballer causing misery and mayhem, and will feel vindicated in attempting to prevent football encroaching on Falmer.
2. He is a role model for youth team players aspiring to play in the first team, andhas therefore let those people down.
He has also neglected his fitness and was a shit defender to start with. Get rid of him McGhee, and you will go up in my estimation.
1. He has dragged the name of Brighton and Hove Albion through the mud at a crucial time in our history, any anti-Falmer supporter reading this story will not be surprised at another yob footballer causing misery and mayhem, and will feel vindicated in attempting to prevent football encroaching on Falmer.
2. He is a role model for youth team players aspiring to play in the first team, andhas therefore let those people down.
He has also neglected his fitness and was a shit defender to start with. Get rid of him McGhee, and you will go up in my estimation.