BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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well if you want to split hairs... though more than one peice of footage is technically and semantically plenty enough.
i'm done. look forward to september.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,876
Really 6 years ago.
I remember it well for quite odd circumstances.
I got stuck at my uncles in very North London to look after his dog because he was going in for an operation.
The operation was cancelled because of the emergency and I had incredible trouble getting back to South London. The operation was re-scheduled on the day the failed bombing took place and I went through the same thing again.
Thing that most sticks in my mind was the "garden" outside Kings Cross that randomly got filled with tributes from the general public. Don't want to get political, but the messages from London muslims really stick in my mind. Their feeling of shock and just generally the tone of "not in my name...." is quite difficult to forget to be honest.
Also remember screaming at my wife from my uncles on the phone as she was on a bus trying to get to work. I was watching the news whilst she was on the way to work. Can't quite remember the exact words but it was something along the lines of "if you ever listening to anything I say, get off that f*cking bus".
Getting home the first time was interesting. I walked from somewhere in North London all the way to Trafalgar square, but pulled a muscle in my leg ! Bus drivers were literally stopping in the road and picking people up along the way. They were great that night, got everyone home.
I will also remember it for the time for when de Menzes got shot. I lived just down the road from Stockwell at the time and was in the tube station minutes before he got shot.
Very very odd time. There was a house down the end of the road where I lived that I'm sure the Police/security services were monitoring for a few weeks. Won't say why, but I'm reasonably observant. Especially when it's down the end of the road.
I remember it well for quite odd circumstances.
I got stuck at my uncles in very North London to look after his dog because he was going in for an operation.
The operation was cancelled because of the emergency and I had incredible trouble getting back to South London. The operation was re-scheduled on the day the failed bombing took place and I went through the same thing again.
Thing that most sticks in my mind was the "garden" outside Kings Cross that randomly got filled with tributes from the general public. Don't want to get political, but the messages from London muslims really stick in my mind. Their feeling of shock and just generally the tone of "not in my name...." is quite difficult to forget to be honest.
Also remember screaming at my wife from my uncles on the phone as she was on a bus trying to get to work. I was watching the news whilst she was on the way to work. Can't quite remember the exact words but it was something along the lines of "if you ever listening to anything I say, get off that f*cking bus".
Getting home the first time was interesting. I walked from somewhere in North London all the way to Trafalgar square, but pulled a muscle in my leg ! Bus drivers were literally stopping in the road and picking people up along the way. They were great that night, got everyone home.
I will also remember it for the time for when de Menzes got shot. I lived just down the road from Stockwell at the time and was in the tube station minutes before he got shot.
Very very odd time. There was a house down the end of the road where I lived that I'm sure the Police/security services were monitoring for a few weeks. Won't say why, but I'm reasonably observant. Especially when it's down the end of the road.
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I have much more my friend....
9/11, the FDA allowance of aspartame. bilderberg history and attendees, media control and lies, how prime ministers are groomed, mkultra information and proof, CIA information, MI5 information, military information, history of banks, tax information, education system information, the cover up of a cure for cancer by the big pharma, the creation of AIDs, the corruption of science and history, and much more......my world view comes from many sources and all from objective truths.....not from any conspiracy "group" - but from independent research.
but i admire and respect you looking into it intelligently, and coming to your conclusions based on the information you have sought out yourself.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,767
I am afraid that even if your assumption that you could do this with 50 people was correct (which it isn't) this answer is simply confirmation that you have never been involved in a significant project with 50 people or more. The data, technology, and infrastructure associated with planning this would take more than that, let alone the execution. This can't be done on a microsoft project plan and a couple of spreadsheets.
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funny really as many years ago i was actually PM (PRINCE2 qualified) for some large projects,.......super stringent organisation and planning (including contingency and risk assessment), plus some very highly skilled trusted team members is all one needs. Some old school PM's throw people, quantity, and noise at subtasks and problems but this was never the style of more modern methods. Refer to PRINCE2 PM teachings and learn.
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grummitts gloves
New member
The car was hired was picked up on numerous ANPR cameras on the M1. They were also picked up on cctv at a petrol station whilst en route as well.
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,767
I qualified in PRINCE2 in the mid 90's when it was first released (and been involved in developing others before and since), maybe on the same course ? You of all people then should know why you wouldn't use PRINCE2 on a project like this.
But you must also know from experience that if you have very efficient productive people on the project, they will devour support services like they are going out of fashion. (That's how they become efficient).
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Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
- 72,327
Not many amusing aspects to 7/7 but gotta mention this one. I was on a near-deserted tube train in what would normally be the rush hour the following morning. Everybody eyeing each other nervously. At Green Park I think it was, three armed police officers got on and immediately eyeballed a bloke in an anorok sat in the far corner. Oh-oh I thought. Then one of the officers bellowed out: 'Dave? Wot you doing here?' To which the bloke in the corner replied none too cheerily: 'Piss off! I'm supposed to be undercover here!' 
Dandyman
In London village.
This.
Somerstown next to Kings Cross has a large muslim population. The "garden" at KX was full of flowers and messages from local residents expressing their support for the families of the victims and their very clear outrage at the bombings.
IMO the bombers murdered innocent people because they perceived Bush & Blair having done the same, but today should be about respect for the victims not the trading of political opinions.
I'm sorry but that video and article provide no evidence of the accusations that are being made. He just seems like a slightly deluded old gentleman. If there was really such a large coverup I fail to believe that Yorkshire Police would have "sacked" him in the way he says and risk it going to a public tribunal ( as it appears it is ).
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
As you well know, that does not even slightly answer beorhthelm's question. It shows that one Police Intelligence Analyst believes it was an inside job; it is not an account of someone involved.
I also don't really understand what point you (or that article) are trying to make. I would have thought it fairly obvious that someone paid for his assessment of threats would have his employment terminated if his views were completely different to the organisation he is working for, and his output therefore of no use to them. Did they do this in the right way? Probably not. Is it a valid reason for removing someone from a job? IMHO, yes.
to say he his deluded just confirms that your belief system is so rigid that any other opinion becomes a target of personal attack (see whole thread for more examples of this).
this is an addition to the already given answer above - and to reiterate that if any of the people speak out they have nowhere to go, and no one to listen.
No - I'm completely open to a good conspiracy theory but so far nobody has provided any sensible evidence. A video or press release from an ex-copper who was "sacked" for not doing what he was asked ( what did he expect was going to happen when he produced a report saying it was a cover up and inside job, rather than producing a sensible contingency plan ? ) hardly constitutes strong evidence or even a hint of evidence.
As Sten has said, let's hear something from somebody INVOLVED in the cover up - something as big as that would have somebody prepared to break ranks.
ADDITION - I've read or watched each link you've provided in full so far as I'm happy to see the evidence before dismissing your claim as some wacko theory.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
I will just note that the question hasn't been answered. i was expecting the formaer Police to highlight his involvement in the drill, but this is not the case. posting links to someones opinion that happens to support yours is not an answer to anything.
something as big as this i believe would be as tight as a nats chuff.....few people involved at the top, and super secrecy. I respect your words in your post Westdene.
The post was to present that anyone speaking out against the official 7/7 story is hushed up and placed under a stone pretty quickly.
I agree with you that it SEEMS strange that none of the 1000 involved in the drill have not spoken out.....but as we went thro the other day - no one wants to listen (police, mainstream media etc).
Another decent question i ask of the "7/7 official line believers" is this; why have all of these "terror cabals" in the uk and usa not done more terror attacks (and please don't talk about glasgow or the shoe bomber)?
"Real" terror groups like the IRA and ETA keep up their terror attacks and actually have middle men to talk to. Their offensives usually continue until compromises are met.
Let us see what comes in the coming years.....this debate will run and run.
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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Westdene Seagull said:
This is where I think that secret society/bohemian grove and similar things come in. Some individuals in powerful circles (police, judiciary, politics etc) believe in ancient mysteries and stuff (like the freemasons for example) and they belong to these fraternities. I have no idea what their rituals are about or if they are "real" etc. And many of them might be members to network and socialize rather than because they like the teachings of the "order".
But when they have thier meetings/rituals with each other etc what this does is it gives them a bond. They share something, and something secret at that. So this gives them a kind of "brotherhood" which means they feel that they trust each other, it creates a dangerous group psychology, because this bond is dependant on secrecy, loyalty etc.
In terms of something like 77 and the drills we would only be talking about senior people who would know anyway, not your average joe doing his or her job as they are asked. They would probably find it as hard to believe that it wasnt just a coincidence as much as any of us would, and they could never know or prove it for sure from their position anyway.
Bohemian Grove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Norman Potting
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I realise I've arrived into this conversation somewhat late in the day, but IMHO this is by FAR the definitive post on the subject so far
And remember also that the most powerful man in the most powerful nation on earth couldn't even arrange something as simple as getting some audio tapes wiped (Watergate, Nixon).
dingodan
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- Feb 16, 2011
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Many moons ago President Carter held a meeting with the Director of Central Intelligence of the time (George H W Bush), and he asked the Director if CIA to provide to him all of the information in the possession of the United States intelligence community, pertaining to the existance of extraterrestrial intelligence.
He was refused this information by the Director of the CIA (George H W Bush) because the president did not have "clearance" to have access to the information.
Apparently the president of the United States is not the most powerful man in the most powerful nation on earth.