6 years since the London Bombings

[Lady Whistledown]

people obviously deem it that i am unhappy or harbor hatred seeing things this way...i am not,. I have never been happier or ever at more peace.....but i see things how they are...objectively

oh, must be a crazy anarchist, smelly, lalalala......all group think archetypes....delivered by.....drumroll.....dancing girls....mainstream media.

Surely you're guilty of using the same group think archetypes when suggesting government/security service/media involvement in this whole murder conspiracy?

 

[beorhthelm]

You miss my point,

i get your point, that theres a big orchestrated plot behind the events, with Power's company use to run the responce under the pretence of a drill. the problem is theres no evidence for this: its based originally on his own publicity, which is slightly ambigous (1000 people involved or in the organistion of the client?) and later statement claimed it involved 6 people. did he lie later to cover? he may have, but 1000 people must be around to confirm they began a drill that turned to live.

 

[dingodan]

Surely you're guilty of using the same group think archetypes when suggesting government/security service/media involvement in this whole murder conspiracy?

Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern on 9/11 Conspiracy Theories.

 

[brunswick]

Surely you're guilty of using the same group think archetypes when suggesting government/security service/media involvement in this whole murder conspiracy?

not really as i have posted some facts of the day in question and some holes in the official report (1 cctv still, the drill etc).

if you read the whole thread and speak to "the general public" i think you will find my views and beliefs are not group think, nor they come from "group think" sources (newscorp bbc et al). I wrote about 7/7 three years ago when views like this were hardly even known.

a member of the public who gets his/her beliefs solely from mainstream media is not an example of an archetype, it is an objective truth...a reality in its millions..........i refer you to Carl Jung for some information on what archetypes are.

 

[brunswick]

but 1000 people must be around to confirm they began a drill that turned to live.

totally agree, but who will talk to them, the police? the mainstream media? who would listen? what would they say? "there was a drill and it actually happened" - this is already common knowledge.

Daniel Obachike claims he was on the bus and claims he saw no muslims, the police would not accept his statement and he was frightened and hounded. I have not checked him out yet but he runs a site here.

 

[beorhthelm]

not really as i have posted some facts of the day in question and some holes in the official report (1 cctv still, the drill etc).

despite having this repeatedly pointed out as not true, you still persist?

totally agree, but who will talk to them, the police? the mainstream media? who would listen? what would they say? "there was a drill and it actually happened" - this is already common knowledge.

have i missed something, there is verification that there was a large scale drill in effect? that is actually stated and i have completely misread this ?? ??

(it certainly didnt seem coordinated as i went through the City on the morning as the emergency services raced around in all directions unsure where to be)


I would read Obachike's account, but he seems to have put it in a book rather than in the public domain. if i see it in a book shop, i'll be sure to flick through to find that relevation.

 

[brunswick]

despite having this repeatedly pointed out as not true, you still persist?

1 dodgy video still is truth, and so is a drill taking place that actually happened, yes, you must have missed something.....but lots of links and lots of pages.

Obachike's account is very evident on his site, and on youtube.......tho again, i have not looked into it much.

 

[dingodan]

totally agree, but who will talk to them, the police? the mainstream media? who would listen? what would they say? "there was a drill and it actually happened" - this is already common knowledge.

Daniel Obachike claims he was on the bus and claims he saw no muslims, the police would not accept his statement and he was frightened and hounded. I have not checked him out yet but he runs a site here.

Its really interesting. Its easy to believe that if someone had something to say about this, say a witness, and it was contradicting the official version of events, then this person would be on the evening news telling their story. But the truth is, if you are prepared to look and be open minded and not prejudiced, you realise there are plenty of people. There are plenty of good people, of good integrity (like Ray McGovern former CIA posted above, or Annie Machon former MI5) who are saying these things. But they are not on the news. They are not heard except by those who are prepared to listen.

Exactly why the mainstream media will ultimately support and protect the narrative, and stifle questions and alternative theories is a complicated question. Its certainly not as simple as the pres or pm picking up the phone and giving orders to news editors. For one the news media deals in product. Today news is product. A narrative that is accepted and has all the pieces and "official" corroboration, that makes for good product. Unfortunately it does not make for good news, if you accept that "official" sources will withold information or even supply information that is false.

If the media do take on a story they will be subjected to pressures from above, not because "we must maintain the cover-up" but because the media organisation operates in market, and it needs a good reputation. Look at how you guys respond to me and brunswick. If you were an editor of a paper or a news channel would you want people to look at your organisation the way you look at us?

And this is only one of a spectrum of pressures which operate in the world of commercial news, and thats not to mention the influence of corporate and political interests in managing the news, and the relationship between lobbying, media policy and news output.

Please dont expect that if something were true it would be on the news. Most of the information that is readily available to us packaged and pretty, has come ultimately through the structure of a multinational organisation and it is meant to sell not inform.

And brunswick thanks for that link, I'll give that page a read.

 

[beorhthelm]

1 dodgy video still is truth, and so is a drill taking place that actually happened, yes, you must have missed something.....but lots of links and lots of pages.

you are being very evasive to simple points. where are the links, lets do evidence. a drill involving hundreds of people in the emergency services? thats actually documented as planned and occuring at the time? please show me, im open to change my opinion on this point.

as for the "one dodgy video still", it is simple false, there are at least 3 peices of moving footage (though they're frankly dodgy), i got drawn in to watching the Conspiracy Files program last night.

i note a friend of mine worked at a bank DR site at the time, he knew nothing of a drill so there wasnt anything involving private companies of note (unless it was very selective). i also recently came to know a chap who works in secruity at a major infrastructure building, i'll be sure to ask him about any knowledge of drills next tim i see him.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Thanks Gerbil, I appreciate it.

From my research it looked like this......

At the time of the bombings Tony Blair was suffering low popularity and the public did not want British troops out in the Middle East. Blair needed something, and at the time of the bombings it just so happened that he was at Gleneagles with Bush and the other G8 (Bilderberger) cronies. Their talk on world poverty conveniently turned into a talk on a war against global terror.


From going into the middle east MASSIVE boosts occur to the economy:

oil is secured.
new military bases are created.
bombs are dropped.
infrastructure contracts are secured (airports, hospitals etc blown up, then rebuilt by western companies).
more control over other countries - patsy governments are put in place, and western central banks are inserted.

therefore these countries become another state of the corporatocracy - e.g the land is governed and controlled by another tentacle of the elite.

problem reaction solution has been done for decades again and again.

creat the problem: muslim bombers attacking our land.
get the (already known) reaction: go get them, defend our "freedom"
solution: wade in take over with the backing of most.

Before the london bombings going into Iraq was never an option in the publics eye (sun readers etc). Also when David Kelly said there were no WMD he was bumped off....and i have lots of information showing how his suicide was "super dodgy."

Mainstream media is controlled by 5 (five) mega profit making corps and they are part of the corporatocracy, the governments have little say and are just TV frontmen.

The people are sleepy, there is an unelected EU government that people work and give their "tax" too, and don't even care - save for the odd moan at the pub or at the bus stop.

The people at the top do not care for nations, they push nationalism into the consciousness, they just want more control and power and use nationalism, race as a simple way to divide.

Think of what Hitler gained from his false flag terror attack regarding the Reichstag and you have a similar picture.

You patently believe this stuff. And it is a pretty neat conspiracy theory as these things go. However, do you not think that on the balance of probability that the London Bombings, like the Madrid bombing, were the actions of young and idealistic Muslims seeking an act of revenge against the 'coalition of the willing' who killed thousands of their completely innocent fellow Muslims during the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq?

 

[brunswick]

where are the links, lets do evidence. a drill involving hundreds of people in the emergency services? thats actually documented as planned and occuring at the time? please show me, i'm open to change my opinion on this point.

and [MENTION=14113]tom[/MENTION] Hark

For me, on the facts and anomalies of the day, the political and social atmosphere at the time, and what i know about 9/11, i would say on "probability" alone it is for sure an inside job. The big question is "who was to gain" - and that clearly was the corporate elite.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

For me, on the facts and anomalies of the day, the political and social atmosphere at the time, and what i know about 9/11, i would say on "probability" alone it is for sure an inside job. The big question is "who was to gain" - and that clearly was the corporate elite.

Fair enough. You got your worldview, I got mine. IMHO its a conspiracy theory too far. Nobody gained. Everybody lost.

 

[brunswick]

bonus video for those who have left behind anger and insults.........

 

[brunswick]

IMHO its a conspiracy theory too far

exactly, and i really believe I understand this comment more than you will ever know - for so many reasons.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

exactly, and i really believe I understand this comment more than you will ever know - for so many reasons.

Oh well.

 

[BadFish]

you are being very evasive to simple points. where are the links, lets do evidence. a drill involving hundreds of people in the emergency services? thats actually documented as planned and occuring at the time? please show me, im open to change my opinion on this point.

as for the "one dodgy video still", it is simple false, there are at least 3 peices of moving footage (though they're frankly dodgy), i got drawn in to watching the Conspiracy Files program last night.

i note a friend of mine worked at a bank DR site at the time, he knew nothing of a drill so there wasnt anything involving private companies of note (unless it was very selective). i also recently came to know a chap who works in secruity at a major infrastructure building, i'll be sure to ask him about any knowledge of drills next tim i see him.

So do you have a link to these 3 pieces of moving footage? (I would like to point out that I am open to evidence to either side of this debate, I watched the ripple effect yesterday and although there were some interesting points and questions raised i did not see any conclusive proof.

 

[beorhthelm]

So do you have a link to these 3 pieces of moving footage?

why yes, its in the Conspiracy Files programme. from about 3 min in. to be fair some of the footage is of them in transit by car, i suppose you have to take it on trust a little that its their car. theres plenty enough footage to prove that the "1 CCTV still" is a false claim.

 

[BadFish]

why yes, its in the Conspiracy Files programme. from about 3 min in. to be fair some of the footage is of them in transit by car, i suppose you have to take it on trust a little that its their car. theres plenty enough footage to prove that the "1 CCTV still" is a false claim.

No one is disputing the face that they travelled to Luton by car on that day.The footage of the train station look remarkably similar to this footage take on the 28th june . I wouldn't call that plenty of footage, but it is certainly more than one still.

I do have to ask though why isn't the footage from the platform time stamped? and why is the time stamp on some of the other footage obscured ?

 

[beorhthelm]

and [MENTION=14113]tom[/MENTION] Hark

is this supposed to prove a drill involving emergency services? " at half past nine this morning we where actually running an excercise for over... a company of a thousand people in London [etc]". so... this is not a excerice involving 1000 people. Peter Powers in a later interview states there were 6 crisis managers. as i say before, there is a little discrepencies in the two accounts, but the same single source. were are the accounts of the supposed 1000 people involved?

is this it? i was expecting the part of the official report, or accounts of those involved in the drill that were shocked as they switched from drill to live situation.

and to note, at 9:30, this incident had been going on for 40 minutes, as someone working in the city there was alot of information of a unfolding incident 30 minutes ealier (sirens every where, police, fire and ambulances racing down every road). some crisis management, not sure i'd hire him base done this.

you have nothing. for you, some anomoloies fit a preconceived world view around a "corporate elite". like a religion, it becomes a matter of faith, the claims of those highlighting the anomolies rise above everything else open to rational analysis, clinging on to tiny fragments of evidence, ignoring the larger evidence of events or absence thereof.

 

[beorhthelm]

No one is disputing the face that they travelled to Luton by car on that day.The footage of the train station look remarkably similar to this footage take on the 28th june . I wouldn't call that plenty of footage, but it is certainly more than one still.

i wasnt familiar with the "dummy run". similar, yet clear still different, wearing different clothes and differnt rucksacks. anyway, i didnt claim is was plenty of footage, only that it utterly refutes the 1 cctv still claim.