6 years since the London Bombings

[beorhthelm]

Another decent question i ask of the "7/7 official line believers" is this; why have all of these "terror cabals" in the uk and usa not done more terror attacks (and please don't talk about glasgow or the shoe bomber)?

you'd have to ask the "official line believers". im a skeptic either way, in my view there's the truth and lies and somewhere inbetween theres the official report. people have vested interests, people cover themsleves, some just simply dont recall or recount the event properly. ("i didn't see XYZ" well, no, you probably didnt as you werent looking for it. then theres the Somebody Else Problem field.)

anyway i come back to a point i made earlier. its not that the idea of a conspiracy is ridulous, just the one presented is. if we have four men groomed, funded and trained for a action by agency X, that agency could well be one that shouldnt be involved in such things.

the problem lies in trying to peice together a bunch of unrelated errors, ommissions, and side issues into a single narrative. which often contradicts itself or is just plain flawed. for example, claims about a "demolitions" company van nearby, when its a very simple matter of research to discover the firm doesnt work in explosives. theres a string of points that are flawed.

this whole Peter Powers thing seems to be such a focus. he has a exercise going on, at 9:30 (rather late), which is his business. the number involved is open to conjecture, but you cannot silence that many people, police, firemen, paramedics, doctors, TFL officials, corporate security liasons, on such a massive issue. this you chose not to believe. but why involve Powers? why do you even need a crisis managment team? the object of a terror attack is to create terror, why would you then want to control this? its illogical and contradictary. let the emergency services do their thing.

then, and this is the thing i dislike about the 7/7 conspiracy theory, the attackers are somehow made not responsible. in doing so, we have to ignore witness and invoke a wide spread conspriacy involving a great number of people, false evidence, concealed bombs. this is also the basic flaw of the conspiracy, because it doesnt work. i'll explain.

To work, the plan involves the "patsy" bombers to be in the correct place at a specific time. if i were to do this, i sure as hell wouldnt rely on the tube, we can only assume those initating this idea never used the underground. there is no way you would "plan" to have someone standing in just the right spot on a rush hour tube. you wouldnt even be able to guarantee the tube will be on time, they are likly to get held up and delay.

what happens when your bomb goes off at point A and your bomber is still at point E? going to be a bit awkward to say the least. what happens if their train is delay or of course cancelled and they dont even get into London? oh, right you have an answer for that... but then heres another flaw...

the ID is supposed to be planted. so they planned *not* to have the bombers there? just what was to become of them and when? are we to have it they just wander off to an arranged location to be executed. with no one seeing them, in the middle of massive disruption to public transport? (i note Brunswick, you contradict this by claiming earlier they realise the plan is going wrong and make their way to Canary Wharf. well, were they supposed to be on the tube or not?)

it seems utterly incomprehensible that someone would plan something with so many obvious variables beyond control. no, incompetent. why plan such an elaborate attack, rely on so many uncontrolable parameter, when a simpler four guys take a trip plan works?

and to the question, why no more attacks? well, one could ask why there are no more from any other cabal. its interesting how two failed attempts are ignore, presumably because they failed. and other previous is omitted, Madrid. funny how the conspriacies focus on the english speaking world. Of course those who look into the subject would know the reason, that alQaeda isnt remotly the widespread terror network the media and politians like to portray, its a loosely alligned group of religious zealots, who dont have a real, set, achievable objective. too busy praying and preaching. i know you, brunswick, wont respond to any of the key points and questions raised. you will only evangelise your own sermon.

 

[BadFish]

It does seem remarkable that an organisation could organise such a huge undertaking, requiring so many people to be doing something without knowing how it all fits together. Getting people into the right place at the right time through security etc. But then they make some basic errors, like leave the van they are using at the scene, putting two copies of the same passports in two different places, and allowing the bombers/patsy's train to be cancelled (surely if this group is as powerful as made out they could have ensured that train was running.

Although their does seem to be some anomalies and misinformation in the official story there is the same in this other theory.

 

[brunswick]

why do you even need a crisis managment team? the object of a terror attack is to create terror, why would you then want to control this? its illogical and contradictary.

So that it is cleared up quickly (they want fear not the economy battered) and so that the public feel happy that the "authorities" are helping, and that we are prepared for terror attacks. The feeling of pride in the nation lent itself to supporting revenge/invasion.

To work, the plan involves the "patsy" bombers to be in the correct place at a specific time.....
what happens when your bomb goes off at point A and your bomber is still at point E?

I agree, and for me, they were not at the locations, hence the dodgy CCTV still and repetition thro the MSM. 9/11 was even more incompetent.

I "believe" (yes, a theory) that they planned to have the bombers in the locations, they arrived late, noticed the "drill" they were involved in was real, the controllers of the project realised this and shut down mobile phone networks, and then the drill patsys got shot/executed near canary wharf (as was reported that morning live on TV...ONCE).

"its interesting how two failed attempts are ignored

Glasgow was either inside job or a lone idiot. I know glasgow airport well, and seriously if anyone wanted to do the place damage it would not be hard. The shoe bomber for me never happened, i have seen no proof whatsoever except for the MSM repeating it.

Post 9/11 I had meetings with high level members of BAA (not related to 9/11) and once they were tipsy at a function - they told me that the 100ml limits are all nonsense and so that they gain more money from "airside sales" .......I mean an Xray machine does not need a laptop out of the bag - it makes no difference - it is all about fear and putting into consciousness that "terror is a threat".....it is these things that override the incompetence in the original project.....look at how many in this thread have found some anomalies.....it's is only you and one or two others....most go with the official line and insult the "conspiracy theorists."

 

[brunswick]

This is where I think that secret society/bohemian grove and similar things come in. Some individuals in powerful circles (police, judiciary, politics etc) believe in ancient mysteries and stuff (like the freemasons for example) and they belong to these fraternities.

have you seen this recent vid from 'anonymous' (the 'system' hacking group) regarding the above....

 

[beorhthelm]

I agree, and for me, they were not at the locations, hence the dodgy CCTV still and repetition thro the MSM. 9/11 was even more incompetent.

I "believe" (yes, a theory) that they planned to have the bombers in the locations...

i dont think you get it. you cant reliably plan this. turn up on the platform at 8:45 and you might not get on the tube. or you get on, and there's delays so the intended carriage is still at Caledonian Road. by the time you realise somthings wrong, you're down past Leicester Sq, Piccadilly etc. getting out with all the other panic stricken passengers into the arms of dibble. tricky. not the sort of foreseeable scenario i would want to risk in my planning. yet the controllers must have considered it to plant ID on the scene to make sure of identification? bit wierd.

no not wierd, implausible and contradictory.

to indulge you, you still havent explained why or how they would get to Canary Wharf with no tubes running. there will be achivies of the media reports (in hundreds of databases, in this and other countries as the news went out), so it should be simple enough to at least pinpoint a time of the report if not exactly the incident. (or have all these archives been purged?)

 

[dingodan]

have you seen this recent vid from 'anonymous' (the 'system' hacking group) regarding the above....

starts 2mrw

If the devil wants to dance with you, you'd better say never, because a dance with the devil might last u forever.

 

[grummitts gloves]

So that it is cleared up quickly (they want fear not the economy battered) and so that the public feel happy that the "authorities" are helping, and that we are prepared for terror attacks. The feeling of pride in the nation lent itself to supporting revenge/invasion.



I agree, and for me, they were not at the locations, hence the dodgy CCTV still and repetition thro the MSM. 9/11 was even more incompetent.

I "believe" (yes, a theory) that they planned to have the bombers in the locations, they arrived late, noticed the "drill" they were involved in was real, the controllers of the project realised this and shut down mobile phone networks, and then the drill patsys got shot/executed near canary wharf (as was reported that morning live on TV...ONCE).



Glasgow was either inside job or a lone idiot. I know glasgow airport well, and seriously if anyone wanted to do the place damage it would not be hard. The shoe bomber for me never happened, i have seen no proof whatsoever except for the MSM repeating it.

Post 9/11 I had meetings with high level members of BAA (not related to 9/11) and once they were tipsy at a function - they told me that the 100ml limits are all nonsense and so that they gain more money from "airside sales" .......I mean an Xray machine does not need a laptop out of the bag - it makes no difference - it is all about fear and putting into consciousness that "terror is a threat".....it is these things that override the incompetence in the original project.....look at how many in this thread have found some anomalies.....it's is only you and one or two others....most go with the official line and insult the "conspiracy theorists."

How can you say the shoe bomber never happened? I presume you mean Richard Reid who was arrested still wearing the device after trying to detonate it on an aircarft? What about his accomplice in the UK, Sajid Badat, who had a the same type of device at his home address. Forensics linked both individuals and devices.

Glasgow an inside job or loner? No, it was the same two individuals who had left two vehicle borne devices in London the previous day. Again, all their movements south and back north again tracked by cctv and surveillance.

 

[dingodan]

The "underwear bomber" was fake too. He got on the plane without a passport ffs

Listen to the witnesses (who are also attorneys).

 

[brunswick]

How can you say the shoe bomber never happened?

where i said never happened....i meant it was staged / not real.


link and link2.

 

[brunswick]

to indulge you, you still havent explained why or how they would get to Canary Wharf with no tubes running.

bus? ( i think only busses in that area where stopped, not all of london?) ....or run.....the news item about CW went out late morning.

let us look at the main points again:

The connecting train was cancelled so the bombers couldn't have made it on time.
The CCTV on the bus just happened to be not working.
The CCTV for the men traveling from the car park to the stations and in the stations is missing.
The CCTV of the men looks like dodgy work in MS paint.
Terror drills matching the same events hapenningat the same locations at the same time.
The policeman on the scene who stated that the explosion had ripped the floor of the train upwards as though the device were underneath.
The bus took an alternative route.
The elite got to forward their agenda, and g8 in scotland at the time all came out talking of "terror, fear, arrghh, get them!!"

 

[The Spanish]

bus? ( i think only busses in that area where stopped, not all of london?) ....or run.....the news item about cw went out late morning.

Let us look at the main points again:

The connecting train was cancelled so the bombers couldn't have made it on time.

Imagine that

the cctv on the bus just happened to be not working.

Cant believe a bus was a bit knackered

the cctv for the men traveling from the car park to the stations and in the stations is missing.

Bet most of what is captured on cctv ends up missing

the cctv of the men looks like dodgy work in ms paint.

As opposed to the pin sharp hd quality of cctv as a rule

terror drills matching the same events hapenningat the same locations at the same time.

They are hardly going to be doing anti terror drills at a salmon farm in the hebridies are they

the policeman on the scene who stated that the explosion had ripped the floor of the train upwards as though the device were underneath.
The bus took an alternative route.

I saw 3 buses on alternative routes walking my dog this morning

the elite got to forward their agenda, and g8 in scotland at the time all came out talking of "terror, fear, arrghh, get them!!"

yes terrorism is frightening the clue is in the name

 

[brunswick]

yes terrorism is frightening the clue is in the name

but it can be repeatedly drilled into the collective consciousness to create fear - and a human in fear is easier to control.

 

[Springal]

This thread is ace, hope I ain't sat near most of you.... saying that you're probably too scared to leave the house!

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

you have not done your research have you....link

The fact you have linked what is really nothing more than an opinion piece, with no verifiable references, as proof of your research does rather weaken your argument somewhat.

Ben Goldacre's Bad Science shows perfectly why you should not believe unsubstantiated allegations, or even read pieces of work that purport to be the truth - but are not properly referenced.

 

[grummitts gloves]

bus? ( i think only busses in that area where stopped, not all of london?) ....or run.....the news item about CW went out late morning.

let us look at the main points again:

The connecting train was cancelled so the bombers couldn't have made it on time.
The CCTV on the bus just happened to be not working.
The CCTV for the men traveling from the car park to the stations and in the stations is missing.
The CCTV of the men looks like dodgy work in MS paint.
Terror drills matching the same events hapenningat the same locations at the same time.
The policeman on the scene who stated that the explosion had ripped the floor of the train upwards as though the device were underneath.
The bus took an alternative route.
The elite got to forward their agenda, and g8 in scotland at the time all came out talking of "terror, fear, arrghh, get them!!"

You are completely wrong on both counts there.