[Albion] 2025 January Transfer Window OPEN - incoming/outgoing

[Hiheidi]

So you would rather he went somewhere else and was sh*t? That's baffling to me.

No, I think it will just beg the question - why haven't we be able to get the best out of him? We are known for developing young players and that's why Ferguson apparently chose us over bigger clubs.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

No, I think it's just it will beg the question - why haven't we be able to get the best out of him? We are known for developing young players and that's why Ferguson apparently chose us over bigger clubs.

Because he hasn't been playing enough, and nor should he when Welbs has been undroppable

 

[Forster's Armband]

I do think this is odd given our out-and-out CF options will simply be Welbz. I suppose Rutter can play there and even JP (although he isn't at his best as a number 9.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

No, I think it will just beg the question - why haven't we be able to get the best out of him? We are known for developing young players and that's why Ferguson apparently chose us over bigger clubs.

That is the problem at the moment. From being a shining example of a pathway club, we're now looking like one where you can get some games, do well, the manager will change, the club will then spend £25m on someone in your position, you'll get sent on loan.

The Albion prospectus isn't what it was.

 

[Hiheidi]

That is the problem at the moment. From being a shining example of a pathway club, we're now looking like one where you can get some games, do well, the manager will change, the club will then spend £25m on someone in your position, you'll get sent on loan.

The Albion prospectus isn't what it was.

Yes, this is what I think. We can't dine of Mac Alister and Caicedo forever, people will start to look at Barco, Enciso, Ferguson, Buonanotte, Adingra.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Yes, this is what I think. We can't dine of Mac Alister and Caicedo forever, people will start to look at Barco, Enciso, Ferguson, Buonanotte, Adingra.

Or Baleba, Van Hecke, Hinshelwood, Ayari, Mitoma and Minteh

 

[The Fits]

Yes, this is what I think. We can't dine of Mac Alister and Caicedo forever, people will start to look at Barco, Enciso, Ferguson, Buonanotte, Adingra.

You could certainly argue young South Americans might not feel this club is the safe bet it was. Those kind of optics ARE important with our model even if the reality is we can’t win them all.

 

[JBizzle]

I agree, but at the same time if Evan and Enciso have a great second half of the season in new teams, fit and firing in the goals, it would make me question what's going on here.

Question it all you like, but neither have shown that they have earned a place in the starting line up. If they go on loan and get game time, then we get back players in a FAR better state that n rotting on the bench here.

 

[JBizzle]

Or Baleba, Van Hecke, Hinshelwood, Ayari, Mitoma and Minteh

Or Verbruggen, Estupiñan, Pedro, Rutter

 

[Hiheidi]

Question it all you like, but neither have shown that they have earned a place in the starting line up. If they go on loan and get game time, then we get back players in a FAR better state that n rotting on the bench here.

I just don't think they'll come back.

 

[brighton_tom]

Yes, this is what I think. We can't dine of Mac Alister and Caicedo forever, people will start to look at Barco, Enciso, Ferguson, Buonanotte, Adingra.

I get your point generally, but there have been so many other successes in terms of 'pathway' other than just MacAlister and Caicedo. Even of the players you use as bad examples.. Enciso and Buonanotte are playing Prem football. Adingra won the African Cup of Nations while with us, and has had good periods with us. & Evan & Barco are still incredibly young with a long future ahead of them. I'd bet none of them are thinking 'oh I should never have joined Brighton!'. They've all made huge leaps in their pathway since joining us, considering where they previously were.

 

[Clive Walker]

Question it all you like, but neither have shown that they have earned a place in the starting line up. If they go on loan and get game time, then we get back players in a FAR better state that n rotting on the bench here.

Enciso gave everything but was rusty and short of confidence due to lack of game time. Evan looked disinterested, slow and unengaged.

 

[Hiheidi]

Evan looked disinterested, slow and unengaged.

This is what I am wondering - why is this? Is it something personal or health related that will carry on in his possible loan spell. Or is it (as some suggest) due to our club / management, and he'll get back to his old self on loan?

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Or Verbruggen, Estupiñan, Pedro, Rutter

Or in the past, White, Bissouma, Trossard, Sanchez,, Cucurella etc. To say we're dining out on Caicedo & MacAllister is far from the truth.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Or in the past, White, Bissouma, Trossard, Sanchez,, Cucurella etc. To say we're dining out on Caicedo & MacAllister is far from the truth.

Yep. And Baleba, Ayari and Van Hecke are not doing too badly either!

 

[Clive Walker]

Or in the past, White, Bissouma, Trossard, Sanchez,, Cucurella etc. To say we're dining out on Caicedo & MacAllister is far from the truth.

jake robinson, dean cox and eh joel lynch

 

[Hiheidi]

Or Verbruggen, Estupiñan, Pedro, Rutter

So in a discussion about Brighton bringing through and developing young players, I think we can discount 27 year old Estupinan, and surely Rutter was brought through by Leeds and João Pedro by Watford as they'd both previously played in the PL when we bought them.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Yep. And Baleba, Ayari and Van Hecke are not doing too badly either!

Already mentioned them!

The club have always said that not every one will work out. This isn't new news! We have a very good hit rate though. And if Ferguson/Enciso don't work out for us, they've still been given a platform and will be sold for good money.

Oh, and we can point to Gyorkes as an example as someone given a platform here - and then sold to improve his chances of success.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

The thing I dont understand about the Evan loan is that if he goes then thats potentially us a striker down for the rest of season, at a time when we've been lacking goals. Because of that the consensus seems to be that he'll only go if another comes in (Tzimas maybe). & thats great if the incoming striker is someone Premier League ready. It provides an immediate upgrade. But with the rumoured strikers we're after, and knowing our 'type', it looks almost certain to actually be a young striker that will need time to adapt. So that begs the question that if we're going to bring someone in that might take months to get upto speed & show some form, then why not instead use those minutes getting Evan upto speed?

I see this on NSC quite often. Is it true? It doesn't feel that way to me.

Only two teams below us have score more (Spurs and Brentford) and two teams above us have scored fewer (Fortest and Villa)

 

[Milano]

I do think this is odd given our out-and-out CF options will simply be Welbz. I suppose Rutter can play there and even JP (although he isn't at his best as a number 9.

Well after Saturday I'm not sure that Pedro is a number 10 either. We massively missed the guile and football brain of Gross/Lallana. Pedro is a cracking player but he's not the answer to a low-block.