[Albion] 2 lucky VAR calls in last two matches?

[armchairclubber]

I wish Pedro had connected and broken his face, to be honest. A cynical pull back like that deserves it. Football has gone soft.

The pull backs happen most games if not several times in a match. Have you seen Igors tonight? ...Thought it was even more cynical.

 

[Bodian]

The pull backs happen most games if not several times in a match. Have you seen Igors tonight? ...Thought it was even more cynical.

Not really a cynical pull-back - more a two arms round the body 'you're not going anywhere mate'.

 

[AstroSloth]

As I often read on here about BHA have a “no dickhead policy” so how does making “ throat cutting” gestures and deliberately trying to cause harm to an opponent meet the said policy.

Let’s make no bones about this that would have caused a broken jaw if not worse and by not getting a red it sets a president.

The "throat cutting" gesture wasn't serious though, he wasn't pointing someone out in the crowd saying he was going to kill him was he? It was a bit of edgy banter.

With regards to the attempted elbow, only one who knows what was going through his head is him. He could have been trying to elbow him, he could have been making a point out of frustration. Either way should have been a red but it doesn't automatically make him a dickhead.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

As I often read on here about BHA have a “no dickhead policy” so how does making “ throat cutting” gestures and deliberately trying to cause harm to an opponent meet the said policy.

Let’s make no bones about this that would have caused a broken jaw if not worse and by not getting a red it sets a president.

As has been said countless times before.
In real time and looking directly at the incident, from 5 yards away, the ref decided to make not one comment to the player .
If Pedro had been remotely close to connecting with the opponent, it's a straight red, even from a soft twat like Madley.

People's opinion of this incident is due to over-analysing 2D images in slow motion.
In reality the player's jaw could never have been touched by the (stupid) gesture made by Pedro.
Red cards are not given out for stupidity or making a gesture.

 

[METALMICKY]

As has been said countless times before.
In real time and looking directly at the incident, from 5 yards away, the ref decided to make not one comment to the player .
If Pedro had been remotely close to connecting with the opponent, it's a straight red, even from a soft twat like Madley.

People's opinion of this incident is due to over-analysing 2D images in slow motion.
In reality the player's jaw could never have been touched by the (stupid) gesture made by Pedro.
Red cards are not given out for stupidity or making a gesture.

And it's one of the slow motion angles that is so telling and yet all the pundits seem to ignore it. It's just so obvious it's a ridiculous gesture with absolutely no intent to connect.

Have a debate about whether such a violent gesture should be sanctioned by a red card. And just maybe it should. However, based on current rules there's nothing to say it should.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

I didn't think the Villa pen was going to get given. Footage didn't seem conclusive enough to meet the new spirit of VAR decisions being made on too close to call in real-time "fouls"....

 

[Seasider78]

I didn't think the Villa pen was going to get given. Footage didn't seem conclusive enough to meet the new spirit of VAR decisions being made on too close to call in real-time "fouls"....

Ridiculous decision for a 50/50 on the ball Pedro did not hinder the villa player completing his action. Had the feeling of a ‘levelling up’ decision on the back of last weeks escaped red and the earlier penalty not given. In isolation was never a penalty

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Ridiculous decision for a 50/50 on the ball Pedro did not hinder the villa player completing his action. Had the feeling of a ‘levelling up’ decision on the back of last weeks escaped red and the earlier penalty not given. In isolation was never a penalty



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I think there was more to it than that.
Of course it's "never a penalty", but these are given all the time.
Slow motion replays to see if there "was contact" and for " arms in unnatural position" makes each offence seem 10 times worse than it really was.

A penalty is considered to be 0.7 xg in all of football.
At Premier League football 89.6% of penalties are converted.

The award of a penalty is a bigger advantage in the Premier League than it has ever been.
With that in mind we really shouldn't be awarding penalties for accidental handball and "coming together" challenges.

It's one of the laws/interpretations that really need to be amended following the widespread implementation of VAR.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

I’d liked to have had a closer look at Konsa catching Bart’s arm which made him fumble the ball in the first place. It was mentioned, briefly, whilst the ref was at the VAR monitor.

 

[dwayne]

What about the break we had where we were 4 on 4 and all of a sudden 2 of our players seemed to be hacked down in the box. How did we not get a replay of that !?!

 

[nicko31]

Ridiculous decision for a 50/50 on the ball Pedro did not hinder the villa player completing his action. Had the feeling of a ‘levelling up’ decision on the back of last weeks escaped red and the earlier penalty not given. In isolation was never a penalty



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The first was very tight, the ref was always gonna give this. Why VAR can make a decision is beyond me....

 

[Guinness Boy]

The length of this thread, the need for further analysis on "Refwatch" and the binary positions of so many posters just go to show that VAR still isn't fit for purpose and still isn't making "correct" decisions. In the case of Pedro, that's because there is no correct decision - it's subjective. If you believe that he was trying to hit the player, whether he does or not, it's a red. If you believe he was showing frustration but very deliberately missing the player it's not a red. In the 'trying to hit' corner you have the thought of why would he do it at all if he didn't intend harm. In the 'not trying to hit' you have the thought of why he waited until the Brentford player was well out of his way. To decide we'd need to be able to instantly read the player's mind. Since we can't his actions need interpretation and that means the on field referee's decision should stand, assuming he's seen the gesture.

And then, of course, we have VAR re-refereeing the game last night. That shouldn't happen either.

Football is a human game, played by humans, coached by humans, watched by communities of humans. It should be arbitrated by humans. It's a scandal that in 2024 we think we need to use 1984 to get a 'more correct' decision when we're still seeing debates like the ones about Pedro's elbow and last night's penalty.

The football authorities, in my opinion, have made three fundamental changes to the game that have improved it immeasurably. They are three points for a win, no picking up the ball from a back pass to the keeper and level = onside. VAR is systematically removing the last one game by game and, coming soon, because it's already not frustrating enough, the line is going to be run by Marvin the Paranoid Android, rather than letting up and coming officials, who may want to move from Assistant to Ref, make decisions using skill and judgement in real time.

 

[JBizzle]

Ridiculous decision for a 50/50 on the ball Pedro did not hinder the villa player completing his action. Had the feeling of a ‘levelling up’ decision on the back of last weeks escaped red and the earlier penalty not given. In isolation was never a penalty

So as long as a player completes the action, you can do what you like? Look, it was a soft penalty and I don't think Pedro fouls him, but he does kick his foot after Rogers nicks the ball away.

In the current climate, you can't kick a player accidentally in the penalty area without risking a penalty and we can deny it all we like, but we'd be fuming if that was Pedro being kicked at the other end and it wasn't given.

 

[Seasider78]

So as long as a player completes the action, you can do what you like? Look, it was a soft penalty and I don't think Pedro fouls him, but he does kick his foot after Rogers nicks the ball away.

In the current climate, you can't kick a player accidentally in the penalty area without risking a penalty and we can deny it all we like, but we'd be fuming if that was Pedro being kicked at the other end and it wasn't given.

I am not suggesting you can do what you like but it is two players arriving and competing for the ball at the same moment in a split second and the villa player completes his action so calling it a foul and awarding a penalty is ridiculous. The fact they poured over the footage for 5+ min suggests the refs were far from convinced as well. I don’t share the view of if the roles were reversed we would be calling penalty I would be saying that is a massive gift.

Swings and roundabouts of course given Pedro and pervis should have been reds in previous games but last night that decision in isolation was a extremely low bar for awarding a penalty in a season the criteria is supposed to have been raised.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Pervis got quite a lot of the ball, so can't see that being overturned by VAR.

Brentford seem quite insistent that Pedro should have seen red. It would be really strange if someone was sent off for completely missing someone with an elbow, having said that though if he threw a punch and missed you would still expect the red. But in this case I think his 'elbow' was controlled enough that there wasn't intent to hit him.....

Exactly this. We watched the Ref Watch thing last night about it and the presenter read out the appropriate rule or guidance, and majored on the “whether contact is made or not” bit. But at the beginning of the paragraph it was more about the “intention” - can’t remember the exact words. I think a red card would have been ridiculous as it seemed to me to be clearly theatrical - his elbow was nowhere near the face.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Exactly this. We watched the Ref Watch thing last night about it and the presenter read out the appropriate rule or guidance, and majored on the “whether contact is made or not” bit. But at the beginning of the paragraph it was more about the “intention” - can’t remember the exact words. I think a red card would have been ridiculous as it seemed to me to be clearly theatrical - his elbow was nowhere near the face.

The fact his elbow was not near his face is only part of the reason it was not a red though.
The important part is it was deliberately not near his opponents face.

This point is being ignored by those claiming he was lucky he missed.
He wasn't lucky, he had no intention of connecting.

 

[METALMICKY]

The fact his elbow was not near his face is only part of the reason it was not a red though.
The important part is it was deliberately not near his opponents face.

This point is being ignored by those claiming he was lucky he missed.
He wasn't lucky, he had no intention of connecting.

This all day long and bizarre that the Ref Watch pundits could not see that.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

This all day long and bizarre that the Ref Watch pundits could not see that.

Refwatch is frequently just pubtalk though.

The pundits often form a consensus based on how they feel about an incident, not on what actually happened.

 

[METALMICKY]

Refwatch is frequently just pubtalk though.

The pundits often form a consensus based on how they feel about an incident, not on what actually happened.

Warnock was particularly annoying. He used the analogy that if you threw a punch but you missed you would be expecting a red card. No sensible Albion fan was denying that and only a few fools and Clattenburg offered up the defence it's fine simply because he missed.

 

[Han Solo]

I wish Pedro had connected and broken his face, to be honest. A cynical pull back like that deserves it. Football has gone soft.

Man, that is literally sick and you ougtha find the nearest psych ward to get your shit together.