[News] 15 yr school girl stabbed to death Croydon

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I didn't advocate 'harassing the crap' out of any ethnic group, I advocate stopping and searching those the data indicate are most likely to be carrying knives, so if it it white males between the age of 16-25 in certain post code areas then 'harass the crap' out of them and if it p*sses them off then tough s**t because if it deters even some from carrying a knife then it's worth it.

By the same token if we interned every muslim in the UK it would put a stop to Islamic terrorism overnight.

And if we inter every white male between 16 and 25 it would nip right wing terrorism in the bud, too.

Likewise if you never fall in love you'll never have your hear broken.

Also, to avoid all possibility of accidents, sit quietly in doors.

This is all entirely logical. But it isn't right, is it?

 

[Bakero]

By the same token if we interned every muslim in the UK it would put a stop to Islamic terrorism overnight.

And if we inter every white male between 16 and 25 it would nip right wing terrorism in the bud, too.

Likewise if you never fall in love you'll never have your hear broken.

Also, to avoid all possibility of accidents, sit quietly in doors.

This is all entirely logical. But it isn't right, is it?

Lock'em all up.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Lock'em all up.

 

[Live by the sea]

By the same token if we interned every muslim in the UK it would put a stop to Islamic terrorism overnight.

And if we inter every white male between 16 and 25 it would nip right wing terrorism in the bud, too.

Likewise if you never fall in love you'll never have your hear broken.

Also, to avoid all possibility of accidents, sit quietly in doors.

This is all entirely logical. But it isn't right, is it?

Not really a good analogy . Islamic terrorism tends to be confined to the younger age set , 16-35 - there are a few older examples but in the main it’s younger people usually men but not always who have usually been radicalised in some way .

Right wing attacks , interestingly enough not always white perpetrators but yes the age group is usually young ish with a few exceptions.

As other posters have said, the perpetrators of knife crime seem to vary depending on where it’s happening . Lots of publicity in London by the media where’s it’s usually young males mainly black but not exclusively but let’s remember the victims are also usually but not exclusively black .

The stats will vary from city to city although far less likely to happen in more middle class areas where gangs do not reside .

Remember Brighton has a big drug problem but knife crime is relatively low here because we don’t have gangs .

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not really a good analogy . Islamic terrorism tends to be confined to the younger age set , 16-35 - there are a few older examples but in the main it’s younger people usually men but not always who have usually been radicalised in some way .

Right wing attacks , interestingly enough not always white perpetrators but yes the age group is usually young ish with a few exceptions.

As other posters have said, the perpetrators of knife crime seem to vary depending on where it’s happening . Lots of publicity in London by the media where’s it’s usually young males mainly black but not exclusively but let’s remember the victims are also usually but not exclusively black .

The stats will vary from city to city although far less likely to happen in more middle class areas where gangs do not reside .

Remember Brighton has a big drug problem but knife crime is relatively low here because we don’t have gangs .

Unravelling all of this.....

The girl was stabbed by a 17 year old with a bread knife (apparently). A bit hard to extrapolate this to gangs.

But of course we could frisk all black boys in school bus queues.

And if not, what exactly?

 

[Live by the sea]

London has a big issue with gangs . We don’t know yet but I suspect he could be a gang member . Why walk around with a knife unless your anticipating trouble ?

 

[carlzeiss]

A Headline in DT today

Boy, 16, stabbed to death during spate of Luton knife attacks​

Five people wounded in three-hour spell as Bedfordshire Police launch murder investigation

Luton stabbing: Tributes paid to Ashraf Habimana

Fiona Namusoke calls her son "loving, caring, calm and extraordinary", on a fundraising page.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[carlzeiss]

Boy murdered Elianne Andam in ‘white hot anger’ after teddy bear row, court told

Hassan Sentamu, 18, lashed out at Elianne with kitchen knife after failing to hand over her friend’s teddy bear, Old Bailey told

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Weststander]

Boy murdered Elianne Andam in ‘white hot anger’ after teddy bear row, court told

Hassan Sentamu, 18, lashed out at Elianne with kitchen knife after failing to hand over her friend’s teddy bear, Old Bailey told

www.independent.co.uk

That "respect" crap again.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

That "respect" crap again.

I don't think in this case, it is meant in the same way as you think it does.

 

[Algernon]

Boy murdered Elianne Andam in ‘white hot anger’ after teddy bear row, court told

Hassan Sentamu, 18, lashed out at Elianne with kitchen knife after failing to hand over her friend’s teddy bear, Old Bailey told

www.independent.co.uk

Thick as pig shit. I hope he gets life.
But he won't.

 

[fly high]

Thick as pig shit. I hope he gets life.
But he won't.

Apparently part of his defence is he is Autistic so not in control of his actions.

 

[GT49er]

I don't think in this case, it is meant in the same way as you think it does.

I'm sure it is! As in 'she didn't give me no respect' - not realising respect is something to be earned, not one of your human rights.

 

[Birdie Boy]

I was trying to get my head around why he kept putting (sic) when he is not quoting anything, so Googled it. I don't think autistic cuts it, clearly premeditated.

• As a verb, “sic” can mean “to attack something or someone” or “to entice to attack”. This meaning is unrelated to the Latin “sic” and is an alteration of the verb “seek”.
  
  

 

[rippleman]

Apparently part of his defence is he is Autistic so not in control of his actions.

FFS!

Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, are on the autistic spectrum. They don't go around murdering people. It's time we stopped allowing this to be an excuse for murdering scumbags.

 

[GT49er]

I was trying to get my head around why he kept putting (sic) when he is not quoting anything, so Googled it. I don't think autistic cuts it, clearly premeditated.

• As a verb, “sic” can mean “to attack something or someone” or “to entice to attack”. This meaning is unrelated to the Latin “sic” and is an alteration of the verb “seek”.
  

He is quoting! He's quoting what the defendant is supposed to have said - 'sic' in this case means, basically, 'thus', signifying that though it looks mis-spelt, illiterate, gobbledygook or slang, it is actually what was stated. Not a mis-spelling or a typo.

Sic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Algernon]

Apparently part of his defence is he is Autistic so not in control of his actions.

Yeah I saw that. A handy excuse.

Taking it seriously I wonder whether all/most/some killers/stabbers might have undiagnosed Autism, hence they are not in control of their actions.

Not taking it seriously I wonder just how little/much you have to be on the autism spectrum for you to be not in control of your actions.

I work with at least 1 guy who has been diagnosed with autism who comes to sit with me and chat for 15 minutes before his shift starts. I've got to know him well over the last 2 years. I can't imagine him ever killing anyone. He certainly knows right from wrong.

 

[Weststander]

I don't think in this case, it is meant in the same way as you think it does.

Depends what you read in my mind.

I was referring to the culture among many young Londoners and elsewhere, where perceived slights, are deemed as disrespect. The only redress is killing or maiming (bowels!) someone. The initial 'offence' might be packing someone in, looking at them the wrong way on a bus or tube, etc.

As explained by community workers on R5 and LBC over the years.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I'm sure it is! As in 'she didn't give me no respect' - not realising respect is something to be earned, not one of your human rights.

The specific disrespect was being teased by a group of girls and his ex girlfriend throwing water at him.
It was a public humiliation. This was followed up by the following day an altercation where the victim snatched his bag from him.
This isn't some gang-related, macho attack, due to a bruised ego, it's someone who has lost control due to deep psychological issues.

No doubt a dangerous and troubled individual who has committed a hideous pre-meditated crime.
He will go to jail for a very long time, rightly so.

 

[Birdie Boy]

He is quoting! He's quoting what the defendant is supposed to have said - 'sic' in this case means, basically, 'thus', signifying that though it looks mis-spelt, illiterate, gobbledygook or slang, it is actually what was stated. Not a mis-spelling or a typo.

Sic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I misread this then, not thinking he is telling her but quoting her.

telling her: “Ur energy is dead I’m not rdy for a relationship…all the best (sic).”