12 year old shot dead in America

[Lyndhurst 14]

Thanks for the sweeping generalisations about the US, you've made yourself look like a complete plonker.

Agreed JVW - that guy is really making himself look a tool

 

[The Spanish]

Being part of the British police force, surely you cannot defend this? You know better than anyone the efforts our police would have gone to to keep any suspect alive, let alone a child. The US police will shoot to kill anyone they suspect of having a weapon, like the old man who pulled out a walking cane a few months ago. It's disgraceful.

Have you ever heard of Harry Stanley?

 

[pastafarian]

The USA in general is just a horrible nation.

Their police are militarised, corrupt and trigger happy. They systematically get away with murder and they shoot to kill. They send SWAT squads into innocent peoples homes. They routinely shoot dogs just for approaching them. They tazer people who are already restrained. They are very much shoot first, ask questions later. Despicable nation & police force.

Quite astonishing outburst,but this is what you do.

There are many NSC members who have made the USA their home,i dont see them coming out with such bile.

Its not perfect,but where is?Can only presume your hatred toward a whole nation of peoples of mixed backgrounds is something to do with your ultra left Socialist/Marxist thinking or whatever it is this week you are calling it and your constant presumptions everyone is an uneducated moron simply because they dont think like you.

You ultra lefties are the real nasty fascist people,

 

[The Spanish]

These incidents are 5 years apart - whereas this kind of thing happens in the US almost every day.

ten years apart.

 

[pastafarian]

this kind of thing happens in the US almost every day.

Doesnt detract from the fact you are the NSC resident hater on almost everything........life is too short mate,stop your hate and enjoy life,life is too short and you are too angry!

 

[wellquickwoody]

when he quite clearly wasn't.

What evidence do you have to back that up?

 

[wellquickwoody]

Of course you can, I've been twice. Had a great time both times, thought the American people were great - they deserve better.

But the nation itself is despicable. The wars, imperialism and the social, economic and racial inequality there is a disgrace. The corrupt, violent, even murderous nature of their police epitomises all that is wrong with that country.

There are too many instances of unpunished murders by US cops this year, but some of the most notable ones caught on camera this year:











Those are just the first that sprang to mind. But every day there is an atrocity committed by US police released on social media, I daren't even think about how many aren't caught on camera. Of course there will be many good cops too, but there is a murderous culture over there within their forces that is unimaginable to us, being so fortunate to have such a fantastic and peaceful police force like we do.

One might think that you have an agenda going on here? Maybe anti- American, or anti-UK, or anti-West? Just a thought........

 

[pastafarian]

Like I said earlier in this thread, I think American people are great -

Thats odd,just earlier you said The USA was a despicable nation,the nation would normally include its inhabitants......make your mind up.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I'm not sure that's the point, we know the gun looks fairly real but when the emergency caller said it was a child and that the gun was probably fake - the police force should have taken that into account and considered their actions before using firearms. Kids do stupid things and this lad has paid the ultimate price that's the worst thing in all this.

I find the way some parts of the American police force act absolutely abhorrent as I said earlier though perhaps the paranoia is understandable given gun crime there is rife beyond belief, this all stems from a country too tolerant of guns. Another question is how the bloody hell did the lad get his hands on a BB gun?

Ahh, seeing as the caller (who may or may not have any firearms experience) has said 'it is probably fake' the police officer should risk his own life further than he already does everyday? Some warped logic you are using there.

 

[pastafarian]

Bizarre post, this is just an internet forum.
I just find it crazy that such a wealthy country like the US treats its people like it does - although I suppose when you consider how it treats the people of other countries, it's not very surprising.

I get it now....silly me

I see what you do here,you jump in get all arsecunt and deflect from the original story......well done.

 

[pastafarian]

I think that's where the confusion lies. I consider nations and people to be separate entities. I strongly doubt most American people advocate police brutality, in the same way I wouldn't imagine North Koreans advocate labour camps. But what can they do about it?

you are getting off topic.....lets get back on topic.

a young chap is in a public park waving a gun at passers by,a member of the public reports it to the Police.He reports its may be a fake gun but doesnt know,the dispatcher never mentions fake or false gun to the cops.......they turn up to a gun crime and the lad does what he does.....and thats it...........how on earth can you blame a police officer for that.

This young lad must have been the sole person in the whole country that thought waving a gun in a park was a good idea

 

[pastafarian]

just slightly off topic it seems that arsecunt skips the google swear word function

 

[pastafarian]

He didn't have to die, nor did most of the other thousands of people killed by US police.

The reason he did is because the US police have a shoot to kill, shoot first ask later, trigger happy culture.

thats right he would not have died if he wasnt waving a gun around,a gun that had deliberately been altered from being an obvious BB Airsoft Gun into a gun that was indistinguishable from any other handgun wankers use for crime everyday

 

[pastafarian]

He didn't have to die, nor did most of the other thousands of people killed by US police.

The reason he did is because the US police have a shoot to kill, shoot first ask later, trigger happy culture.

Now answer this.

Which part of waving a gun at members of the public in a park do you think is not going to end up in trouble......especially given the current climate

 

[Lower West Stander]

This is always going to be a huge problem in America where guns are simply more a part of everyday life. It isn't going to change and armed police will always present a risk when things like this happen as per Ferguson.


I agree this doesn't look great but unless you live in the US it's hard to explain how the gun culture is an accepted part of everyday life.

 

[pastafarian]

He didn't have to die, nor did most of the other thousands of people killed by US police.

You are a policeman,what do you do under the circumstances.....

 

[pastafarian]

He didn't have to die, nor did most of the other thousands of people killed by US police.

i have a few hours spare this afternoon for study,can you please share the documents on this

 

[carlzeiss]

The USA in general is just a horrible nation.

Their police are militarised, corrupt and trigger happy. They systematically get away with murder and they shoot to kill. They send SWAT squads into innocent peoples homes. They routinely shoot dogs just for approaching them. They tazer people who are already restrained. They are very much shoot first, ask questions later. Despicable nation & police force.

Thanks for the information , have now decided to cancel by Holiday plans to the USA next year and look at Pakistan instead .

 

[BensGrandad]

I remember when I lived in Epsom my eldest son was about 13 and had a toy gun which looked like a real one and it was considered hard by his mates to carry it about. We had a friend who was in the Met armed response team and he told my son, and it is so true, when in a situation they do not know whether it is a real gun or a toy one so they tell the person to put it down or they will shoot if the warning is not heeded they shoot. He says it is a them or us situation and a 12 year old with a gun is as dangerous as a 42 year old with a gun. I said about the shoot to disable and his answer was we shoot to stop them shooting if it only injures a person that is a bonus but if not we have achieved our aim, we have stopped him firing a gun. If it turns out to be a toy gun so be it they couldnt have known or determined that before shooting. The simple answer is the kid could do as told and put the gun down; knowing they would shoot if not.

 

[BigGully]

I remember when I lived in Epsom my eldest son was about 13 and had a toy gun which looked like a real one and it was considered hard by his mates to carry it about. We had a friend who was in the Met armed response team and he told my son, and it is so true, when in a situation they do not know whether it is a real gun or a toy one so they tell the person to put it down or they will shoot if the warning is not heeded they shoot. He says it is a them or us situation and a 12 year old with a gun is as dangerous as a 42 year old with a gun. I said about the shoot to disable and his answer was we shoot to stop them shooting if it only injures a person that is a bonus but if not we have achieved our aim, we have stopped him firing a gun. If it turns out to be a toy gun so be it they couldnt have known or determined that before shooting. The simple answer is the kid could do as told and put the gun down; knowing they would shoot if not.

If you changed the word from 'toy' to replica in your post, your son's actions look far more sinister and you wonder why you would allow him to even contemplate carrying it around with him, after all he was 13 years old not 6 ... just saying like BG