[News] 1% Pay Rise for Nurses.

[PoG]

If in your world £34K a year isn't much, your a lucky person. Plenty of us survive on a good deal less than that.

Per household?

 

[Chicken Run]

Incredible that this thread has Tory voters actually trying to defend this.

I genuinely cannot see any posts defending this alleged pay rise, can you show us one?

 

[Chicken Run]

Don't want to say, but not in the NHS or public sector. My salary is below the national average

Me too[emoji106]

 

[Billy the Fish]

The Government have admitted that Serco track and trace has cost £22 billion.

The annual budget is £22billion, that's public knowledge.

Serco have a contract to run it, that is public knowledge.

My issue is people framing it as "Tories giving £22 billion to their mates for a system that doesn't work"

Testing is working pretty well isn't it? Tracing not so much, but that will get better now there are fewer infections to trace.

 

[sparkie]

A terrible policy decision. They deserve more.

3 more years minimum of the mob in charge so I expect more of the same going forward.

 

[blue-shifted]

Me too[emoji106]

And I'd say, significantly below the average in Hove !!!

 

[Normal Rob]

Certainly didn't appreciate that nurses salaries were so low in the first place - £24k starting salary and an average of £34k for what they do seems meagre to me. How do they survive on as little as that?

with tact and diplomacy like that, you should probably apply for a role in the Tory PR office, if they pay enough of course.

 

[Simster]

I respect your view but I wouldn’t be so sure, many of us who have had to work through this pandemic have lost wages, lost jobs, relationships and future security.

Ask those people what they think about a Nurses strike.

Aside from the fact that I think you might be out of step with the public mood on this, you are also missing a crucial point:

If these people can't have a sensible pay rise in a year where they have been absolutely critical to this country, when can they have one? People have short memories, and this time next year after Covid has been in decline for several months, they won't get treble the pay rise just because they were so critical 2 years beforehand that people were on their doorsteps clapping. I'll point you at the example of the firemen about 10 years ago who were barely given a rise over a period of nearly a decade. Then suddenly they threatened to go on strike because their pay was so low. Well who's fault's that? If you don't fight for what you're worth year on year on year, it's not fair to expect any government to give the money tree a shake and make up 10 years of under pay in a single budget.

 

[blue-shifted]

My challenge for everybody who has posted here is whether you'd be willing to put more in to pay of the debts we've incurred through furlough and vaccination and to give the NHS the rise they deserve.

The reason I'm asking, is that I see a lot of people saying they would have spent government money differently, and a lot of people saying they should tax other people, ie, corporations or the rich.

But the single biggest predictor of who is going to win an election in this country is who is likely to tax at the lowest level. This has been the case going back many years. My guess is that some would say they will, but a proportion of those will peel away once inside the sanctity of the polling booth.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

It’s not just nurses, it’s porters, radiographers, junior doctors etc etc etc.

And it’s ridiculous and, in my view, a serious misjudgement. Johnson yesterday was excusing it by saying they have spent billions on the NHS in recent months, but seems to miss the point that any sensible manager would tell you which is that the greatest asset any organisation has is the PEOPLE who work for it, especially here with their dedication and skills, let alone their humanity and compassion.

 

[amexer]

With the hardship I know of so many people in last year I have considered during this time financially all those working for public services including nurses have a lot to be thankful for in that income and jobs not effected

 

[CHAPPERS]

I'd be balloting to action short of a strike asap. Get them all working to rule asap, should focus some minds.

 

[GT49er]

Per household?

Yes.


..... and of course many of those nurses will be one half of a two wage-earning household, so the point about per household is irrelevant really.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Incredible that this thread has Tory voters actually trying to defend this.

Not sure who these Tory voters are?

I try to look at it pragmatically, the national debt is beyond comprehension and while they deserve an increase there has to be a careful review of public sector pay rises. If one gets another wants it and so on. Their pay currently is around that of other people with the same level of qualification in both public and private sectors jobs, many of which have either lost their jobs or had 20% less pay.

I would personally prefer them to get a small increase in line with cpi or rpi and a one off "bonus" equal across the board as a collective thank you.

 

[beorhthelm]

It’s not just nurses, it’s porters, radiographers, junior doctors etc etc etc.

And it’s ridiculous and, in my view, a serious misjudgement. Johnson yesterday was excusing it by saying they have spent billions on the NHS in recent months, but seems to miss the point that any sensible manager would tell you which is that the greatest asset any organisation has is the PEOPLE who work for it, especially here with their dedication and skills, let alone their humanity and compassion.

about half the budget is on staff, a 1% rise is nowhere near half the increases in spending. so begs the question where is the extra spending going?

 

[Pavilionaire]

I think the government have been lazy at best, almost certainly negligent in their decision-making.

1% is the sort of rise they'd get in a normal year. But certain factors have changed, affecting the value of the nurses that remain:

1. A large chunk of the nurses have returned to the EU, so there is less supply of nurse labour.
2. Covid 19 is here and set to stay for the foreseeable future. It is a new occupational hazard for nurses, and has killed hundreds of nurses already.
3. Working conditions for the next 12 months are expected to be horrible, with Covid still prevalent AND a record backlog of treatments and surgery that has been a delayed by Covid now needing to be delivered. The government cannot afford to be losing nurses at this stage.
4. Boris did say there would be £350 million a week for the NHS after we left the EU,

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Quick check it appears the average pay is £33-36k obviously after training, not sure how accurate that is. If it is that's not a bad wage albeit for an intense job.

However nursing, unless your progressive in the role, has always had that element of care over pay. Like so many such roles they don't perhaps get the rewards they deserve especially when compared to others who sit there all day earning fortunes doing not a lot.

As you say, nurses do it for the love, and then the money.

I know 4 nurses, they all have money to burn and they are also all on very good pensions.

Not many people have those benefits at the moment.

Unions are just stirring it again, no surprise there.

Labour are using aggressive fighting words to spread more hate, with the its 'like being kicked in the face' as spewed out of the ineffective Ashworth.

I suppose they are getting desperate about their poll ratings.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I think the government have been lazy at best, almost certainly negligent in their decision-making.

1% is the sort of rise they'd get in a normal year. But certain factors have changed, affecting the value of the nurses that remain:

1. A large chunk of the nurses have returned to the EU, so there is less supply of nurse labour.
2. Covid 19 is here and set to stay for the foreseeable future. It is a new occupational hazard for nurses, and has killed hundreds of nurses already.
3. Working conditions for the next 12 months are expected to be horrible, with Covid still prevalent AND a record backlog of treatments and surgery that has been a delayed by Covid now needing to be delivered. The government cannot afford to be losing nurses at this stage.
4. Boris did say there would be £350 million a week for the NHS after we left the EU,

It was written on the side of that big red bus so it must be true!!

 

[banjo]

If they all downed tools tomorrow I bet they’d find a few more quid.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Its actually a pay cut when you factor inflation

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