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A congressman ?! oh dear oh dear. Thats what the world needs Christian Fundamentalists running America. Scary Stuff.

:) I know.. there arent many famous australian intellectuals.. but he is ! Well when you get faster downloads watch the whole videao, and you'll see what he is saying. Basically he is saying that science might need to treat consciousness as a fundamental in order to deal with it. This isnt...

As I said, this isnt really my claim, its the claim of a professor of philosophy and a doctor of mathematics. Possibly one of the smartest people on earth. Did you watch the video? He's Australian dont you know ( I see you are in Geelong)

Brighton ! :)

Well to be fair I dont understand it but to be blunt neither does science. If it does, show me. Maybe it would be closer to the truth then to say that Science itself is not like religion, but it's followers exhibit signs of religious behaviour ! People on here have stated their belief and faith...

This is better explained by Dr Chalmers on the video I posted. Basically I share his opinion that consciousness is a fundamental building block of the universe, not an emergent property. Science finds its answers by looing at the world in an objective manner. Consciousness by its nature cannot...

I admire your 'faith' in Science... and scientists.. The priests of science.. You 'believe' they will overcome this paradox... and who am I to challange your faith?

well I'm arguing my perspective, as I have been throughout the thread.. the point you nake while I'm sure you are in fact trying to be facitious, is actually getting close to the issue. Descarte said 'I think therefore I am'. His view was that the only thing you can actually be certain of is...

the point is, that while that is the scientific answer.. it doesnt make sense. this is exactly what I mean. how can someting be a wave and a particle ? This is where science starts to sound like religion... like the holy trinity.. god the father, and god the son and god the holy ghost.. 3 beings...

ahhh triggaaaaar... maybe you can tell me if an electron is a wave or particle then? restrictions? nah.. I just want an answer not a ride on the magic roundabout.

First.. If you had read further in the thread, then you will see I am not defending religion. Second, seeing as you obviously 'know', please tell me what an electron is. Without defining it in circular terms. Maybe you could start by telling me whether an electron is a wave or a particle?

oh so Gary Lineker isnt God.. that explains how I got the wrong end of the stick

double post

Well fair point.. there were two conversations going on on this thread, and yes, my posts have blurred the two. The explanatory gap is most evident in dealing with consciousness, subjective awareness arising from biology, and that is all Chalmers concerns himself with thats true. However it does...

Vicente is really good on FIFA

I was near the railway bridge on Sackville Road.. I was 12 years old.. so exciting..

wow thanks.. short but sweet, and yes.. I was there. :-)

Where can that video be seen?

you cant know its position and momentum, thats true, and seeing as electrons are never stationary, that means you can never know precisely where they are. The current scientific description 'clouds of probability' is the closet. Science makes predictions.. percentages.. these predictions work...

ahhaa haaa haaa haa haa haa haa haa :lol: :lol: :lol: cutting humour.. such sharp wit. I take it you didnt watch/understand the video, by possibly one of the smartest people on earth, showing that science has no explanation for how consciousness and subjective experience occurs... as I said.